Bettie Durrah Living History interview, 2013.

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    The one thing I want to say is
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    it would be helpful if when
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    I ask the question you could kind of
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    rephrase the question when you
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    start your answer.
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    Because what we do is we cut my voice down.
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    If you don't. Don't worry about it don't think about
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    it too hard because you'll respond
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    and have come out.
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    So the first thing I'd like you to do is
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    state your name
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    and say where we're at.
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    And anything else you kind of just
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    one thing about who you are as a general
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    introduction
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    don't really
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    address the first church.
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    And that's where we are now.
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    That's good news.
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    Tell us about your early life in the church.
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    What was it like.
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    Did you have any mentors that stand
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    out to you want
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    to know about my early life.
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    Well I was born
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    in after church third generation
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    Presbyterian 140
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    miles from here first
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    Unitus for Terry church
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    and my father was a
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    really elder coach
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    just called it elders at the time
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    and grew
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    up in that church.
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    My grandmother joined the Presbyterian
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    church so that her two children
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    could attend a.
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    We're going to school.
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    McClellan hadn't had a point in time.
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    No public high
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    school was available for
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    African-Americans.
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    So I did a number of
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    things in the church.
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    I was also sent to
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    conferences Stillman College
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    in Tuscaloosa Alabama
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    and I was hit by some white women from
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    First Presbyterian Church.
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    And I think at the time they
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    knew that they were a part of the
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    Southern branch
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    and we are part of the northern branch.
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    But when I became Monterey the first year
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    Greater Atlanta Moses says after reading
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    it now I said that
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    to me she had
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    now become a full partner in the machine
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    and for mentors.
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    Q You asked about that
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    two mentors there now
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    Mildred Brown
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    who was a former staff
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    and I worked with her in
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    was was women of color
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    the third or women's Coordinating Committee
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    and Thelma enough
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    to fill the air.
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    In fact I first began going to the General
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    Assembly in 1976
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    to firm in her
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    election
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    and I've been going since.
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    Never miss a day.
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    You are an active member of Women's Organizations
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    and held office offices
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    and Presbyterian women
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    and Church Women United.
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    How did you start becoming involved
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    in these groups.
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    Well let me tell you about women
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    first
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    and my involvement in that
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    right after college I joined
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    this church
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    and as soon as I joined
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    the first two women it wasn't
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    called that time
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    asked me if I would serve as secretary
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    of the Presbyterian Ga.
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    And I said yes.
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    The woman who was a secretary was moved
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    into telephone call
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    came
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    involved in that organization
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    worked with women two
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    and three times my age
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    but honing my skills in the country
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    moving in various leadership roles.
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    The first meeting as I began my secretarial
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    role.
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    Someone said that's Conemaugh
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    commission on a medical mission
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    and relations.
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    And I remember that very well she said.
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    I'm saying that the secretary
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    and what she was saying was
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    you a novice.
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    You have to learn
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    and we're willing to help you.
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    And I've always appreciated that.
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    In fact she's a sister in law was
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    a prominent Presbyterians
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    in this denomination
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    and this is
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    one of
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    mine.
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    Tell us about how you
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    got involved with church women united.
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    Well to be Presbyterian
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    apostles ecumenical actual state.
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    One always hears.
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    So I couldn't be involved
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    in persecuting women without
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    being
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    with church from you.
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    So I began attending
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    Thurstan night celebrations
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    because they met on Thursday night
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    and I couldn't go to that Friday
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    the Friday morning celebrations.
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    And so I met
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    with them and worked
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    my way up to becoming
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    the president of the
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    United in Georgia
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    and not in greater Atlanta not
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    implant her.
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    And that is because they still need them said
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    on Friday morning Saturday.
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    And I'm not available
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    but the point is I have worked
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    with that organization for many years.
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    Well let me back up for a moment
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    as I went into Presbyterian women I
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    became the model
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    through a number of leadership positions
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    and then became the moderator of Presbyterian
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    women at
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    presbytery and at the Senate level
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    and served on a number of other committees
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    blue ribbon committees.
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    And at the point although
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    I was a part of a Joint Committee on
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    Women
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    where are we.
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    What do you want to put together all the women
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    constituency groups
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    that were going into the new denomination
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    but what church of your mind.
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    I was working simultaneously
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    with Presbyterian women
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    and a few other organizations
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    and they went to
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    serve on the nominating committee
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    for churchwomen United nationally
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    and found to be coming
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    a few years ago.
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    Chair of the Communications
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    Committee
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    and because of that I have
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    the responsibility for preparing
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    the newsletter
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    which came out every other month.
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    I didn't hide what I did was approve
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    the copy prepare my
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    my work and set
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    the directions for that newsletter.
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    And that's what most of that is that I have available
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    for you to see.
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    When you were part of the
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    Sunni militiamen I ask you this
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    when you were part of the Reunion
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    Committee bringing the women's organizations
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    together. What with the nature of that
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    work.
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    Did you find him working
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    with it. Finding
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    it was hard work
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    because you were bringing two groups of women
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    two groups of women in the various
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    one group pursuit of the branch the
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    one represented on the southern branch you had to
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    the women you had third world women
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    and the Southern
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    to be forgotten
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    Committee of Women of Color
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    Muslim community women collocate many
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    of them you had
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    clergywomen you had about four
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    different women's constituency
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    groups. Oh both sides.
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    And each one pulling different things.
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    And I remember you
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    and I I was in Paris
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    and the girl from
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    Texas she was chair
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    of the Southern Women's Group
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    and I'm chair of Third World Women's Coordinating
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    Committee and we went before the Joint Committee on
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    Women to say what we wanted.
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    We wanted a separate organization
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    we wanted this we want that we didn't get
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    everything that we wanted
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    but we did get an
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    organization that was willing to
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    limit his ministers
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    and we were pleased
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    with that. But it was due to the hot work
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    in the background.
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    Mildred M. Brown my mentor
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    and incidentally her former
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    sister in law is a member of this church.
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    And of course Patricia Turner
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    another friend of mine who is now deceased
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    who worked for the patients
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    and me also became very close friends.
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    But at the point of reunion
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    and we're celebrating 30
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    years of 25
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    years of Presbyterian women
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    this year.
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    But I cannot remember now when
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    I was moderator of first
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    year living at the presbytery
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    or the Senate in 1982.
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    But in 92 I was
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    my first year when I was
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    also working simultaneously
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    was third are women.
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    And so what I did was to write
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    a poem called Colors of the human
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    family
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    with four of the different racial
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    ethnic groups
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    and we rehearsed that
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    and that was one of the most rewarding
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    things to me.
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    Guns Not denomination
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    was to do that
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    and of all of us in the production.
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    I am the only one
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    who slightly forgot a car
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    and stay up the background
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    reminded me what was
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    well me later
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    and it wasn't published.
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    They didn't. They called a city of Herat
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    for Time magazine.
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    Thirty years later that same horror your poem
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    was produced
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    down at the church.
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    Why. Yeah no
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    no.
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    Last year
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    they had one other
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    racial ethnic group
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    and that's the Middle Eastern war.
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    And again that was a very satisfying
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    thing. But the point is
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    at Purdue University in
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    82 you had 5000
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    women.
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    You had about 2000 women a more
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    intimate audience.
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    But each day each event.
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    People came.
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    People wanted it until they put it again
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    in the magazine.
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    I wasn't a part of this.
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    I proved them using
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    my paper
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    and so
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    but it's
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    been all over the world.
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    And we did it in 82 when we were
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    asked to do it on screen
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    in 1983 here in Atlanta
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    and then in eighty
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    four.
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    I was called the Global Consultation to
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    southern Africa representing
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    persecuted women in Central South the
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    Black six southeastern states
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    and all
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    we were able to present that
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    we didn't have all the racial ethnic groups that
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    we were able to present it in Pretoria.
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    I think that's
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    it now it's going around
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    and with other people.
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    OK other things.
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    Do you think it's as powerful
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    today when you most definitely.
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    The thing is the reason why I mentioned
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    a more intimate group in
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    Orlando 2000 people
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    it ended
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    with
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    someone say suicide.
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    The group there were six women.
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    One woman in the audience
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    said she stood aside
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    well the entire community stood
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    and said
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    I think you steal
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    them. There are some things that
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    have changed
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    and perhaps need to be updated.
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    But this has also been translated into
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    Spanish
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    and five Spanish
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    pop Latin women in various
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    ways.
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    VICKY
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    My
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    can you just.
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    Can you describe how you started to become
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    a leader in Presbyterian
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    women and Church Women United.
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    Well I believe every woman is a leader
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    and a leader within home sphere of influence.
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    So when you just
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    do things now
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    not a very aggressive
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    person.
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    Many times I sit in the background
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    and because I've been involved for so
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    long I add
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    history to what's happening.
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    Have a thought of what's happening
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    but
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    but for me
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    one job leads to
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    another
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    and one of the reasons has to do
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    with the fact that it is an intergenerational
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    group.
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    Not just once in a generation these
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    days as before
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    because I was bringing
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    my youth at that time
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    and my creativity
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    and my willing to share
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    with other people to
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    the table.
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    So it just evolved.
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    And the time was right for me
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    and the time was right.
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    An African-American woman
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    who knew what she was doing to
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    share in various ways.
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    And so I did. And one of the things that I
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    did as I was
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    developing my leadership skills
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    was to bring other women
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    especially women in my church
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    and I carry them
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    with me to Presbyterian
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    and Senate meetings not always
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    to the General Assembly.
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    So it was a different kind of thing
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    to go to
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    but many women
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    credit me
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    with helping them to do various
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    things.
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    Well now they go
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    and do things I don't even know
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    the things that they have to
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    say that I'm pleased because every
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    leader should help
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    to his or her witness to service
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    other people to grow.
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    And as for things that I have done I've
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    been a silent
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    awe person in some
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    ways in the background.
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    I've been a ghost writer
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    in a number of instances
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    and this happens to be one of those
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    now this
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    ethnicity the untold
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    story
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    was produced for third
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    quarter the media I wrote
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    for Blackphone story
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    it wasn't a part of
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    helping
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    helping people to
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    become leaders.
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    So I don't know how I became
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    a leader.
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    And right now I'm not getting
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    involved in
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    the top leadership.
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    I'm I'm I'm sitting back a little
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    bit. But again
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    I have to bring a history of
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    essence. I have served
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    on the board of trustees
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    or just the small
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    Theological Seminary 12
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    years and being back on
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    again and now
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    and again
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    with new people around the table.
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    I always have information to share.
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    That is just
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    a part of me.
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    What role would you say you played
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    as in these groups
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    and in Presbyterian women.
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    Sometimes a catalyst
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    sometimes just a silent
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    person sometimes just a presence
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    and sometimes a person who would just ask
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    a hard question.
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    Sometimes I wouldn't get that involved
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    in the conversation.
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    And then all of a sudden I would
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    ask the question I'll make a comment
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    which might help
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    to turn the causation around
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    especially as it related to all
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    persons of color
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    and how their views
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    and skills were being used.
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    Can you think of an example that
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    time maybe you were at a meeting
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    and you were quiet
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    and you spoke up
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    at just that pivotal moment
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    where in the same
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    form on that.
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    OK.
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    Well I even asked why.
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    Why not use this individual.
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    OK.
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    She's sitting around the table quietly.
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    Let's see what she was saying
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    or share some information about
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    her and I think she might be
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    a workshop.
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    We just seen her do these things.
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    OK.
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    Now
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    you became a charter member
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    of the Committee of Women of color.
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    Can you describe how that organization
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    was created
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    and why it was made.
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    Well it was needed because
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    the committee would come of this meeting because
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    racial ethnic women needed a safe
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    environment
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    and we they at home the Skky leadership
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    skills
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    and we've come a long way in this nomination
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    and in the last 30 some years.
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    But there was a point in time when we had
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    no moderate as a Presbyterian
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    women
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    who were on the end of a
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    race or ethnic group
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    and
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    all they had a
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    position called at
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    large
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    and we still have large positions
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    but those at large positions now
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    can be made into something they can
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    actually do something.
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    OK. Help to make some changes
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    real changes in the structure of what's
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    going on.
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    So what percentage
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    points in November
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    we are forgetting.
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    Can you describe how the Committee of
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    Women of Color was organized
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    and why it was made.
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    OK
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    and it was organized
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    with each of the Native Americans
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    Hispanic Americans
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    Asian Americans African
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    Americans and later
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    the
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    persons Oh I
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    couldn't think of a name right there
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    into the
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    actual rooms
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    and each of the different caucuses became
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    involved.
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    You.
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    Then they morphed into
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    came into the comedia women of color.
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    And quite frankly within each
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    of the caucuses you
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    had an organization
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    that I was chair of.
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    Well President I guess you call
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    it a national black Presbyterian caucus.
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    OK. Well we all sat around the table.
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    We discussed what our concerns
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    were concerns
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    what particular
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    skills we had to be told
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    something about our heritage.
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    So that each person could know
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    what the other individual
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    and serve
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    as a conduit for making
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    change.
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    Whenever we were at the table
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    so we were preparing women in small
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    ways so that they could sit
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    at a larger table
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    with women especially
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    white women who were not as accustomed
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    to working with
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    what. Did you try to dress
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    through the committee.
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    Women in color.
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    Well one was representation.
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    Was major thing.
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    One was just getting people to know
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    what white privilege was.
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    And that
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    that just getting to see
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    other people as humans
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    and not just oddities.
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    And those look
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    the major things are just recognizing
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    that this is feels that they all
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    and then and then that's what we
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    do.
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    Do you feel like it's improved.
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    Oh definitely it has improved.
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    All you gotta do is look at the
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    look at all oh
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    Coordinating Committee at a press secretary
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    or senator
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    or for that matter on
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    church fine.
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    In fact you're vice moderator
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    for one of the issues
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    that is part of African-American
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    men.
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    And then you've got all of the different
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    races and ethnic groups sitting
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    at the table
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    and even on the table.
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    I'm assuming that they all machinery
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    equally because they all have had
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    opportunities now many opportunities
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    for leadership development.
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    And that was a major theme
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    that we worked on.
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    What does it take to be a leader
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    and how do you express your ideas
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    and even just how do you
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    put your ideas down on paper.
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    But I remember writing once you're
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    a good liberal
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    periodical called Monday Morning
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    I'm writing something
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    and I was taken to task.
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    It was a social justice issue.
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    But you know how people ministers
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    were writing after
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    they ruefully read something that
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    they didn't like. They disagreed
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    with whether it was right
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    or wrong.
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    I was taken to task.
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    But again you know I
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    was who
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    was brave enough to write
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    a follow up question.
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    You have written a number of
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    Corio columns comes
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    I'm subjects about race heritage
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    and ethnicity.
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    Can you talk a little about your inspiration.
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    Well you know most of them
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    have not been about race
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    and ethnicity.
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    I have a number of follow little poems.
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    I write them for different occasions
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    even though my very first one
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    was called the human family.
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    And after that I began writing
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    and them always came out to South Africa
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    and wrote a colours economic justice
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    and I had students
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    to perform that in Atlanta when Nelson
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    Mandela came here in 1990.
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    Gloria points
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    to Latin Americans.
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    That was
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    presented at
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    the Beijing Women's Conference.
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    a tale of two cities Beijing
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    me black
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    of the church from the 9
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    cult or something like that.
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    color of color.
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    groups being represented at the table
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    how do you think the issues have changed
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    from when those groups were first being
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    tell what we're facing today.
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    of color have ascended to power
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    backed down
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    or have assumed
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    less power.
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    but I'm not at the table now
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    and I must tell you that
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    the bottom
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    first two women as the first female.
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    Christian Women's histeria
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    did not want to accept would not accept
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    this time because I was wholly
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    unknown entity.
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    and say that I'm from Atlanta.
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    at 341 Ponce de Leon.
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    something. And everything that I have done
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    volunteer
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    and people still continue to call
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    and ask me guys
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    and things like that
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    when the time permits.
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    What are some of the most meaningful
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    memories you have about your experience
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    with Presbyterian.
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    for 20 years I had
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    a newsletter for your wedding
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    and this congregation
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    and it was a one woman
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    task.
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    I get up briefly
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    and another woman to submit.
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    about some of the things that were happening
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    across the nation that other people
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    did. We had a wide Apolinar
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    vigils across
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    the country who received those letters.
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    highlights for me was to do
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    that newsletter
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    and to receive
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    the affirmation
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    from women across not just women
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    across the country.
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    twenty two years
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    later seasons.
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    of my biggest
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    things that I
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    really enjoyed doing.
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    I love prepared messages
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    and it may not seem that way
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    when I'm doing now
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    but I love preparing messages
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    and workshops
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    and having people affirm me
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    when I teach because of my creativity.
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    this was one workshop of the Black Caucus
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    on inclusive language.
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    help me with that one.
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    the door I'm inviting people
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    to come and
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    was the head of the General Assembly.
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    These young Deidre.
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    And I was so nervous.
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    partner helped.
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    And were all very well
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    but Tom
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    I just get excited
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    and have that excited when
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    my creativity
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    comes out
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    and it's appreciated
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    and affirmed by other people.
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    appreciate creativity
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    and affirm people
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    from the same thing you know a person's.
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    not we might not
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    think that you like to
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    to write based on what you're
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    doing now.
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    I love right.
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    what I'm doing now
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    because I had a sister
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    who was just out there.
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    and
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    I wasn't that bright
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    when it came to speaking extemporaneously.
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    now
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    I'd rather write and speak
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    all our lives.
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    back to
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    and then all the other people talk.
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    but absorb it all.
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    though I'm not doing read this newsletter.
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    I am doing now three
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    newsletters one for national
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    black Presbyterian caucus which you can find
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    on the web.
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    the Maraya theory Thawne
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    and churchwomen United Kingdom
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    laughter.
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    So that's three.
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    And those three keep me busy.
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    Well.
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    What do you think the most important role
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    of Presbyterian women has been in
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    the church.
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    Well when we spend most
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    of our roles for Christian women turnspit
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    to prepare women to be leaders
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    in the Lodge.
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    By now I have
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    an expression called Leave the politics
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    and I try to leave the politics
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    in order and I think I'll trust you
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    women as an organization
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    has been preparing women to
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    lead the polity so
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    that they not only work within that
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    organization
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    but they can go
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    and work in the governing
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    body.
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    But as many of the women
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    came to Dors
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    book first for two women they
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    work as hard as presbyter
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    but I continued working
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    with the presbytery.
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    But I think that's one of the key things
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    that that organization has done
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    with several different women
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    in different arenas including
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    Russia.
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    What role do you think
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    P.W.
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    Presbyterian women can have in the future.
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    Welcome to YOUR MONEY.
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    The future needs to continue to push
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    women to assert
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    themselves.
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    But it needs to affirm clergywomen
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    continue to affirm clergy women
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    and help them to find a place
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    and just do what they are doing so that
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    maybe they could take a little bit about
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    cutting back on some things.
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    Some phases of the organization
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    but one based organization is mission
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    given and that has been the hallmark
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    of this organization
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    and that's what I have pushed for many years.
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    In fact I'm just telling you
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    the first year this congregation
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    was a leader
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    and not because of that it
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    was a leader.
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    In the end he did more
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    than heal the church.
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    This past winter in some
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    parts with tears for women his mission
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    getting
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    him done in the last two years.
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    OK
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    but it wasn't because of one
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    person it was because
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    we had split.
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    Came out of tradition
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    and we're just going to continue
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    working on what
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    we were doing.
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    But I
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    don't know about Christian women.
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    Things something's
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    happening
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    but that's everybody is having many
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    challenges now.
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    I think to find a way.
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    I do not as
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    a Presbyterian when I'm
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    at the presbytery
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    or center
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    or church choir at this point.
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    I do keep up to
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    an extent.
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    I'm not going to sing songs while
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    I'm in a couple of weeks
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    and we will have about
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    12 women from this congregation.
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    And that just shows you
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    how women in my age group.
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    They don't need me.
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    And sometimes I say it has
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    been
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    so hard to stay quiet.
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    Why do you think women's groups are so
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    valuable to Christian life.
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    Well
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    women's groups are Bible to Christian life
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    because number one
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    every person needs somewhere
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    to be a witness
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    and a women's organization
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    has been a safe place where women
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    could share their beliefs
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    do their Bible study
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    and learn some new skills
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    so they can move out into the larger
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    larger arena.
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    But some women
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    are not coming that route.
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    They're doing other things.
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    They're going directly into being
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    elders
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    and sharing ways
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    and saying we have no time
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    but that's
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    some true in this congregation
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    question going
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    at it.
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    What is it
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    about you or what is it inside of you
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    that has really driven you
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    to do a lot of the work
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    and you push a
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    lot of the causes that you've been involved in.
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    You can you can go tell them
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    what's inside me.
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    I went to a women's college.
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    My three sisters and I went to a women's college
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    in Atlanta from college.
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    And we
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    just always
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    went out from doing things
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    but also as an African-American
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    woman we see justice.
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    I just
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    tried to push for justice issues
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    right about justice issues.
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    It's the only thing is that
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    as I am as I became involved
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    in the church I just
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    continued
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    and it was
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    it wasn't hard.
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    Nothing was forcing me.
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    It was just what was
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    now.
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    Sometimes I was over my
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    head and by that I mean no time
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    no time
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    have to replace that
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    knowing you're going like I am working
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    on
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    this inside of me
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    but I got inside
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    me. God is
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    has always been inside of me.
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    And God helps
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    me to
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    do what it is and have to do.
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    And I've met a lot of people over
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    the years
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    who have also helped me
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    and helped me along.
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    I want you to know one of those
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    is still my bed
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    and I continue affirming her
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    as I say.
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    I went to the dentist in 76
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    and if you count on I've been to thirty
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    three and not for the whole time
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    but
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    you get to hear people speak
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    ten workshops
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    and you can keep growing
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    and sharing something pushes you out.
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    Some push you need to
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    do some things OK.
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    I can't sit at home
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    and I can't sit idly by as
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    other people say
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    and as my other mentor said
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    I cannot sit idly by
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    and let it just go unchecked.
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    I too must do something.
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    Were you active in the civil rights movement
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    in Atlanta
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    in the sense that
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    I went to see Dr.
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    King Dr.
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    King. But my father also did not
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    want us to get involved to the
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    extent that we had come out
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    of college
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    and lose money
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    but active in the sense that
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    I learned everything that was going
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    on went
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    to rallies
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    and
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    wrote things like
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    that
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    but not becoming not
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    involved in not going to
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    jail.
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    OK.
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    And even after the
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    Civil Rights Movement I've been involved
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    in anti-Apartheid rallies
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    and social justice things
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    like
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    other things
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    and I'm also involved in
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    not right now serving
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    women
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    homeless shelter serving
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    breakfast as the women do
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    in my congregation
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    and I've been involved in doing that.
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    Coming out of that
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    and writing up
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    about the event
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    the feelings of people here are also
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    getting teen evangelism newsletter.
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    I was told in a newsletter
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    Dear fans in this newsletter in this
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    church
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    and Tom
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    when you wrote that evangelism
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    newsletter did you have other
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    people you talk to about ideas
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    or were you really on your
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    own now
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    but this time because
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    I had to involve
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    people I have one copy of that I
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    think OK.
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    Had an evangelism committee.
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    So naturally I
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    had the reports and what have you from that committee.
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    They're working it was something that
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    I was building and including
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    to this what I call evangelism
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    spar
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    over a decade.
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    I also had
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    one quotation
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    out bulletins each Sunday
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    and
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    had to work hard on doing that.
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    If you had one Sunday
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    it was something I enjoyed doing.
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    And then you reach a point where you get tiring
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    what do you think it means to live history.
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    Well you know my expression
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    is living the politics of the party
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    and that's what I'm trying to do.
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    But I was telling a story
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    and sharing the story
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    with other people.
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    And
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    so they are inspired
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    by what you do
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    and all
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    I can go out and do similar kinds of things
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    living histories is pushing
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    other and sharing the story
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    and pushing other people out there to share
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    their stories
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    and find out that we all have a story.
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    And my favorite expression is my
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    story is your story
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    and your stories my story
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    and our story is in the story.
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    So as we leave history
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    we continue to delve into the moment
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    and
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    do what God has called us
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    you kids. And you know I
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    some things a
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    on and the King Sunday
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    in Charlotte North Carolina
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    on that Sunday. But I just want to show you
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    Conference of Churches over here.
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    have to coordinate all
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    of these stories
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    around here.
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    I think one of my moms
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    will be here.
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    that I'm giving
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    you this
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    thing to say
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    to you this should
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    respect you some more.
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    I
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    hope this is fair to say
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    Kate.
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    you sure.
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    you working
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    on.
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    the anniversary of that
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    at least.
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    I'm giving you this
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    and court
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    to meet with the United States
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    and to
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    say
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    this to you
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    the nomination
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    organization on leadership.
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    on
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    all of
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    newspapers out here communication
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    partnership and mission of
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    the
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    Black Caucus.
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    The July August issue.
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    I happen to have his picture here.
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    original picture
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    and I am giving this to
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    the stars.
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    Senate Commerce to me
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    and said
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    to me the pastor
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    and my father.
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    And she's right behind
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    the first moment in this church
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    it's right here
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    and I hope you will
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    take that picture with you.
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    one of the two schools
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    and you can find this information
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    but you get a copy of this book in the
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    as
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    a church newsletter.
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    Because I mean to stay
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    there.
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    I said
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    the goal is to be
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    into
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    church go home.
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    I stand
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    for Presbyterian into
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    an industry that I'm from
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    Asia.
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    She invited me to buy
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    me a friend
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    and be sure it was
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    Asian woman who's here.
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    Where do you want
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    to get to where
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    and when and how responsible for
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    her being ordained.
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    She's quoting
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    from my church.
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    This is just the news here that
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    you don't
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