Kenneth G. Neigh interviewed by Susan Miller, 1989-1990, tape 1, side 1.

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    This is Susan Miller.
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    I'm interviewing Kenneth Neigh [Neigh, Kenneth Glenn] on December seven one thousand nine hundred eighty
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    nine in Princeton Junction
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    in his home.
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    OK I am the first thing I wanted to talk to you about. I'll start at the beginning is your family background.
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    You were born in nineteen oh eight in Lisbon Ohio,
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    according to my records. In one of the pamphlets I
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    read it said Lisbon was the high hills of Ohio,
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    kind of a rural area. What was it like growing up there
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    in nineteen ten? What was the community?
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    Don't like this sound.
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    You know.
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    I think it was the second oldest town in Ohio. Had
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    thirty-five hundred people when I was growing up, and it still has thirty-five hundred people. Wow!
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    I guess it was typically
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    small town, not much of a
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    racial mixture, but, I was growing up the time that the Klu
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    Klux Klan was very strong. And, there was a lot of hostility
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    still
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    and the Catholics
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    but it didn't really reach down
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    to the
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    whole level of boy girl friendships
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    My father, my father was a Quaker and my
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    mother was a
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    part of the Horace Bushnell movement that came from the
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    East, sort of a liberal group. And,
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    neither of them were, really church
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    members or church goers. They sent me to the Disciples
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    Church. Is this interesting? and yet they sent me to the Disciples Church
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    mainly because they didn't have a creed.
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    When I was in high school,
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    the
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    Minister of Christian Church was the chaplain of the Klan.
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    And that was a bit too much. So the
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    three of us left the Christian church and went to the
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    Presbyterian church, mainly because of the Presbyterian minister [Macaulay, Peter W.]
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    was our high school football coach. So that's how
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    And it
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    It really was a great place to grow up. And I still go back there.
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    "Did you have any brothers and sisters?" I had a.
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    I had a sister, yes. She died many years
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    ago.
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    And, I am the last of the Neighs.
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    Will get something to testify to the
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    fact that that's a good idea. "I doubt it."
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    To get them. To think and
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    feel.
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    "The K.K.K. influence in your younger years, do you think
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    that that introduction to the K.K.K. had influence on you
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    later in your life?" Oh sure. "Was it, was it
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    very strong in the community?" Well, it
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    Was. My father was one of two or three
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    businessmen in this town that wouldn't join the Klan.
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    And, it almost ruined his business. And,
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    there was only one of the, one Jewish family in the town. I think this had some more
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    influence on me than probably any one other incident in that period that
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    made me the way I am.
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    I didn't know what a
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    sixteenth birthday was for a Jewish girl until we moved to Scarsdale.
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    Then, I found out quickly. But there
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    was a Jewish girl in our class. Her family had the
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    theaters in the town. And, on her sixteenth
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    birthday,they
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    her mother and father had a party for her.
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    And, I
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    suspect that our whole high school
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    class was invited to that party. And, only three of us showed up.
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    Oh I never
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    will forget the look on that mother's face.
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    The persecution of ages you
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    could see. Well, it wasn't long until they were gone.
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    "Do you have any
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    memories of World War One and how that affected the town
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    at all?" Oh, sure.
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    The thing that I remember. One is kind of
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    trivial
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    and the other isn't.
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    I delivered
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    groceries on a bicycle for my uncle, riding up and down the hills.
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    and there was a family,
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    Well, there were two unmarried sisters
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    and they didn't have very much money. And so, I would
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    read the headlines in the newspaper, and then I would ride up to this house
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    and tell them what was going on. But, it does sound kind of trivial. The other
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    isn't. I was a Boy Scout at the time.
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    And these young men
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    were casualties in the War. They were brought
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    home for burial. And, Boy
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    Scouts were always sort of a color guard
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    at funerals and that kind of thing.
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    What are your your earliest memories, well, of the church? Was that in
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    grammar school then that you changed from the Disciples to the Presbyterian Church?
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    No. It was in high school. In high school, I
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    guess, oh, sophomore,
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    junior year.
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    Do you remember having a strong connection to the church?
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    Ah. I had a strong, very strong, connection with the ministers.
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    Mac McCaulay [Macaulay, Peter W.] , who was the high school football coach.
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    You didn't have to be seven hundred pounds to play football in those days.
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    and I was the quaterback on the football team. So, my
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    relationship with him was very close.
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    Later on, after I'd got done and went to
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    college, Mac came down from Cleveland, which was a
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    far piece from Delaware, Ohio,
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    and got the things straightened out in part.
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    The other very talented
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    Really
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    Very talented guy. His name was Jarvis Cotton. [Cotton, Jarvis M.]
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    He was an athlete of parts. We played on the same baseball team.
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    but he was on the same baseball team and that kind of thing.
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    And the curious thing.
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    at the time that I was
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    vice-president and president of McCormick Seminary,
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    he was vice-president of the Western Seminary.
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    Where did you go to high school? Was? There was a local public school in Lisbon?
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    David Anderson High School. David Anderson. Do you remember having a
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    favorite, least favorite, subject that influenced you somehow, once
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    you went off to college?
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    Or were you more an athlete?
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    Sounds like you're an athlete.
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    Well, yeah, at one period
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    I held the state record for Class B high schools in Ohio.
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    But. No, not really.
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    I graduated third
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    in my class, which was, I guess, around ninety-five, something like that.
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    I think history and literature.
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    And, I had
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    four years of Latin,
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    which was helpful in college.
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    You went to
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    college at Ohio Wesleyan. And got your degree in nineteen thirty, right?
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    Right.
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    The Depression hit in nineteen twenty-nine.You were
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    twenty-one at the time. How did the
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    effect of the coming Depression
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    the Depression have on your college years?
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    Well,
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    I indicated that I was dumped out of college my senior year.
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    And did not
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    graduate with my class. My degree was deferred
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    for a year. And it was at a time of
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    that deferral, I went back
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    home to wait it out. And, it was
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    then that the Depression hit. I had
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    I had intended to go to law school. And, the
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    banks closed with the money and that kind of thing.
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    And so, it was during that period that I
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    readjusted my goals and so forth.
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    To back
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    up just a little bit, I wanted to ask you How did you, how did you choose Ohio Wesleyan?
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    This
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    again is partly for the and partly serious.
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    All Presbyterians went to Wooster.
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    And, I didn't want to go to Wooster
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    because all Presbyterians were at Wooster. And,
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    because they had no fraternities or sororities.
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    This was a, one stage in my life. The reason I
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    went to Ohio Wesleyan was because of an English teacher
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    who went over there. She was a
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    a graduate of Ohio Wesleyan. And, that really is the reason that
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    I landed
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    There. Because you. Out of respect for her or she?
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    Right. What? How
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    did you find college? Was it a big adjustment from home or?
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    I think a lot of students find it a big change
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    nowadays, but I don't know
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    what is was like then.
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    Well, it was
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    a big adjustment in a lot of respects. Growing
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    up in the small town was
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    sort of like being in the womb. And
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    Feel.
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    I was homesick.
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    I think I lost fifteen pounds the first month I was there.
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    But after that, I
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    adjusted perhaps too well.
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    It was
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    the
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    In our home we never
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    we never
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    We had strict
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    standards, but
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    they were not related to ethical
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    morality as
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    comes from faith, you know.
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    My reactions to good and evil were largely based upon
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    whether or not it pleased or displeased my parents.
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    And, when I got to, got to college
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    I was completely removed from those,
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    those strictures. In that respect
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    To the
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    it was a serious adjustment. And, as it
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    turned out later in my life when I did
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    get mixed up in some problems.
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    Do you remember having any mentors in college or particular
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    professors?
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    Not really.
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    I had one.
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    professor from whom I took
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    international law, but he's the only one. As a matter of
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    fact, as I look back on it, I got a lousy education at Ohio Wesleyan.
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    I've supported the college for a long time
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    until they called the other day
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    And I said to the person,
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    I can't really think of any good reason why I should support Ohio Wesleyan.
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    Well, You were being honest.
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    Did the church play any part of
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    in your college years? Did you continue going
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    to the Presbyterian Church?
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    You know, minimally.
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    We had
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    We had compulsory chapel
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    five days a week.
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    It was a good excuse not to go to church.
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    So then you
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    went home when the Depression hit, and you had wanted to go to law school.
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    Correct, is that?
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    But, the Depression kept you from doing that? So
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    then, what led to your decision to go to> Well, you
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    went to McCormick. But, that was a little bit later. What happened in
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    between that time?
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    Well,
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    one of the people
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    that
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    gotten me back into college, was
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    traveling secretary of our fraternity. And,
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    he was a Presbyterian minister from Cincinnati
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    Independently wealthy.
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    But
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    I went back home and
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    the behavior and the morals in a small town
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    are frequently worse than the
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    city, believe me. The only difference is that everybody knows
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    about it.
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    So
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    I remember writing to him
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    saying that I didn't think that my life
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    was taking the right direction.
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    And, I haven't talked
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    about this in years. The right
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    direction. And, I got a letter back. He said that he thought
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    that I was. about ready to go to seminary.
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    Well, I thought that that was the stupidest thing that I ever heard.
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    But I
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    couldn't get it out of my mind.
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    I wrote to the
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    presidents of Union, Princeton,
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    and McCormick. And,
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    so one Saturday afternoon, on a day about like this,
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    I took a walk out over the hills and back to our house.
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    And, I promised someone. I would say God now,
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    if it was made financially possible for me to go
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    to seminary, I would give it a whirl.
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    Got home
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    And I'm not sure that this is accurate, but
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    in my memory, it was the only time that there was ever a
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    Saturday afternoon mail delivery in that little town.
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    And, there was a letter from John Timothy Stone, who was the
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    President of McCormick, saying that if I came to McCormick, he would
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    provide. The seminary would provide for room,
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    tuition, and books. Well, after having made that
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    promise. The coincidence of it, you know,
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    was, I guess, about as
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    strong a motivation as anyone could get.
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    "What was McCormick like? Specially with the war, the Second War?"
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    The War coming on?
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    Come to.
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    Feel.
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    Well. But
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    It was kind of a kaleidoscope thing and
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    I made it a kaleidoscopic
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    thing because I was in a period of growth.
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    I remember the first
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    night I was there.
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    Perfectly awful dormitory room.
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    Someone came
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    along, knocked on the door and said, "We're having
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    floor prayer meetings. Well, that was just about the last thing that I
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    wanted at that particular stage
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    But one of the other people, who was on, in that
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    dormitory didn't go to the floor prayer meeting either.
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    Bob Crothers [Robert R. Crothers]
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    became my closest friend and still is.
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    His father, his father
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    had been and was at the time, a clergyman
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    and was part of the staff of the Board of Christian Education.
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    It was the
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    relationship that Bob and I had that
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    brought me into a different stage.
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    It was, it was a
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    warm and a. I don'
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    get excited easily. I was about to say exciting experience
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    The
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    faculty was
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    in marked contrast to the one at
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    Ohio
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    Wesleyan. And, it was in the beginning of
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    struggle period with. I went
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    into Robert Worth Frank's
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    philosophy class one day.
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    There was always a prayer before the class. And
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    the Cubs and the Cardinals were fighting, ready for the National League pennant.
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    So, the opening prayer, Worth
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    prayed, "Oh, God put
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    Power in the bats of our Cubs this day." And, I thought,
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    maybe I'm not the wrong place after all.
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    Your
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    first pastorate was at Allen Park Presbyterian Church in nineteen
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    thirty-seven. What was the
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    transition like going from seminary to
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    a pastorate? or Allen Park, particularly?
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    Hi
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    Fi
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    Well there was no great shock because
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    there was no church there, you see. Jane and I
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    set our own rules.
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    So, this is not to say that we didn't have problems, but
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    we had we had
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    no traditions to deal with. We created our own traditions, our own programs and our own patterns, and so forth.
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    And between the part of the community, we really became a part of the church.
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    What was that community like? What was the townlike?
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    Well, it was. It was and
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    still is a suburb of about twelve hundred
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    people.
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    They worked in. Most of them in one of two places,
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    the Ford Motor Company or Great Lakes Steel
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    Corporation. They
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    were people that were just
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    moving out of the blue collar class
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    into white collar or white collar
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    people themselves.
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    Did you find them
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    open to the idea of a church? Did you have many members when
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    you started out?
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    Well, I was there. One of the first time I was there
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    twelve people meeting in an upstairs school room.
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    When I left,
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    I've forgotten how many we used to have.
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    On average attendance, of around eight hundred when we left.
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    I guess the church was, oh, somewhere near a thousand when we left
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    There
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    feel for.
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    The nature of that community as still
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    much the same
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    in terms of the
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    religio-civic attitudes. There were people in the church who
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    Feel
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    really work in, work in the government.
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    I was the first police commissioner.
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    I wrote the first police handbook
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    and all that sort of stuff.
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    The. The
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    church really was the community, the community
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    was the church. The Protestant church, our
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    church and the Roman Catholic Church.
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    Bill Tracy, who was the Catholic priest, and I
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    whenever we'd have a mixed marriage, we'd get together and
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    decide which would be best for the family.
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    Whether they should be married in a Catholic church or in our church.
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    And, it is still pretty much that way in that community.
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    I read somewhere that you were called the father of the church and the city, that it
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    was a growing place. It went from a small town even
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    into a suburb of Detroit, that the town grew while you were there as well?
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    You said that you were involved in the police commissioner, commission.
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    I also heard or read somewhere you were involved in getting the Boy Scouts together,
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    Is that true? Well, there was
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    nothing there. There was nothing there. There was nothing there.
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    Feel feel you know
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    Yeah, we.
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    Feel
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    bought a boy scout, boy scout camp, up in North central Michigan.
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    North central Michigan.
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    Still a part of the church program. A funny part of
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    it was that they discovered oil and gas on it.
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    It was, I guess it was about three years ago.
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    Feel feel
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    The estimate was that they were going to get about twenty million dollars. And,
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    then the market got clobbered. So much for that.
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    and
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    feel
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    feel
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    I don't I don't even know your wife's name. I
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    didn't come across in anywhere. So, when were you married?
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    and what was her name? Her name was Jane Baldwin.
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    She was a part of the Firestone family.
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    I'm five years older than she, and I can
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    remember when she was born. And she was my sister's best friend.
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    So that, I can't really
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    remember that part of life
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    when she wasn't there.
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    However
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    Perfectly beautiful woman.
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    and
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    she went to Mount Union College
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    Where where? It is in another one of those God-
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    fearing colleges in Alliance, Ohio.
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    Oh, okay.
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    Very very
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    strong
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    fine line
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    and together that with
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    her
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    personality and the personal appearance made it very
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    easy me wherever I was.
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    for the choir.
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    And, she made it easy for me.
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    I didn't always
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    make it easy for her because of the nature
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    of the thing that I was doing.
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    You
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    We
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    had two children
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    One of them, the elder
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    our daughter,
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    went to Scarsdale High School, which was then
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    still is a good a
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    public school as you will find
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    in the east.
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    Later on, went to Alma College, which
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    is in Michigan. She been there for the
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    better part of twenty-two years.
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    And, she is a teacher
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    is alleged to be teaching English.
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    Last spring got
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    the distinguished teaching award from Blackburn College out in Iowa.
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    She's married
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    to another teacher.
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    Our son
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    was. He had
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    the best or the worst, both of his parents
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    He was all
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    county in three sports in Westchester
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    and was in the Mets farm system.
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    Baseball.
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    All became involved
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    in the multi-media
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    Went to Europe to reorganize his company's European operations
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    Came back to this country
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    with his girl friend.
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    are old.
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    They were about to get married.
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    And, to me, he was the chief
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    operating officer of the company.
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    And,
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    six years ago next week, they both died in an
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    automobile accident. That's why I am the last of the Neighs.
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    and
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    Jane is now in
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    a nursing
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    home. She has Alzheimers.
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    When?
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    Were you married before you went to seminary or after?
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    After.
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    After. There were very few people that were students that were
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    married. Really in seminary.
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    OK. You went back to McCormick in nineteen forty-six, according to what I
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    have, and became the Vice President for Development? Is that right?
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    No, that's not exactly right. You
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    read that in one of those blurbs. Yeah.
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    I went back there to be Executive Vice President.
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    What brought about this change? To leave Allen Park
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    for McCormick?
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    Believe and.
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    Well, there were two things.
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    One was that I discovered that the people were
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    not joining the church.
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    They were joining Jane and me.
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    When we got ready to leave, the fellow man, who
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    owned the local theater, who was Roman
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    Catholic
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    wanted to put petitions in the
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    lobby of the theater to keep us in town. That. That was the
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    climate. And it
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    wasn't good. The other thing was that it
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    Worth Frank,
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    who later became the president of the seminary,
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    who had married Jane and me,
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    and some of the other faculty people
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    out there
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    persuaded me that someone needed to get hold of
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    the administration of the seminary.
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    And.
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    with those two things were responsible. He had you in mind for the job then?
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    Worth [Frank, Robert Worth] wasn't the president then.
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    Harry Cotton was the president.
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    He was
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    feet
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    temperamentally
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    not suited to be an administrator.
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    What did you find at McCormick when you
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    came back? Did you find it much, much different?
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    Yeah, it was a great deal different.
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    Mainly because of the nature of the student body
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    had changed.
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    I went back just in time. At the time that
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    the
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    men and women were coming back from World War
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    Two.
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    Instead of being a place of single
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    people, it was a place of married people.
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    There were some single people around, but
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    the vast majority were married.
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    And.
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    uh.
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    There was kind of a seriousness about the whole thing.
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    A number of them had made up, decided
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    to go into the church in battle situations
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    you see.
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    The calm and the peace of my student days
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    was gone.
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    What
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    was. What were your responsibilities as the Executive
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    Vice-
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    President?
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    Hmm.
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    Have
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    I have to word this very carefully.
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    Uh.
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    I
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    executed the needs of the administration of the seminary.
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    As distinct from
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    from the responsibilities of the dean of the seminary, who dealt with the faculty.
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    It was only after I became the president that
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    I was involved in both sides.
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    Although when I went out
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    I was a full
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    professor on the faculty. I have in nineteen
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    forty-seven you became Acting President? How did that
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    change come about? That was only a year after
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    you became? That is blinking.
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    We still have a little bit of tape left, thank you.
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    Again, I have to choose my words. Well, if you would rather not
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    talk about it, that is okay, too?
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    Uh
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    The president
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    got fired. All right.
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    And, you were next in line then?
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    You said you were also
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    a professor. Full professor, of? What classes did you teach?
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    What role was that?
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    Well.
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    You see
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    I'm
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    leaving gaps here, which makes it sound garbled.
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    I was only there for about
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    three months when the president went on a sabbatical.
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    And, I had to take over the adminstration then.
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    He was back
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    for. Gee,
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    noy more than two months when he got fired.
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    So all the time I was. I was out there. I was involved in the
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    administration, which took up most of my
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    my time.
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    I did teach courses in homoletics.
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    Did you enjoy teaching?
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    No, not really.
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    I didn't really enjoy
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    being at the seminary. There was not enough
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    activity and.
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    So when
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    the people
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    needed someone in Detroit Presbytery,
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    the client came out to see me. Well,
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    didn't come to see me, they wanted to see Jane
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    because
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    she was bored stiff. Oh,
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    really! She was used to the activity and organizing
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    things?
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    Well. At Allen Park? Academe is still
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    stratified, you know.
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    And
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    she
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    This might be a good time to flip over.

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