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Corine Cannon oral history, 2019.
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- speakerAll right Miss Corine just say your name. Corine L. Cannon
- speakerMy name's David Staniunas. I'm records archivist at the Presbyterian Historical Society.
- speakerToday's June 27 2019 and I'm with Corine Cannon.
- speakerCorine, it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you.
- speakerWould you begin by just telling us.
- speakerA little bit about your early life where you were born your parents and family.
- speakerI was born in North Carolina near Huntersville near
- speakerNorth Carolina that's near Charlotte North Carolina.
- speakerAnd I'm the daughter of Emmanuel C.
- speakerLytle and Rosie White Lytle
- speakerAnd your father and your
- speakerfather and mother what was your father's profession.
- speakerHe was a farmer an entrpreneur
- speakerand this was.
- speakerThis was nearby Kannapolis.
- speakerIt was near
- speakerHuntersville near Charlotte.
- speakerAt that time Kannapolis was very young just being organized a young town was
- speakerin fact a young community at that time.
- speakerBut my father was a farmer.
- speakerHe had about one hundred ninety six
- speakeracres of land in Mecklenburg and
- speakerCabarrus counties. And it was a lot of work.
- speakerI had a lot of relatives in that town, of
- speakerour tree. We weren't Presbyterian at that time, my mother was
- speakeroriginally from the Cedar Grove Presbyterian Church in Cabarrus Count, but
- speakermy father was a
- speakerAME Zion. He was very active in the AME Zion church and so we were brought up my siblings
- speakerand I were brought up in two denominations.
- speakerHow does that work.
- speakerIt works well. Because once you're Presbyterian no matter where you go.
- speakerYou'll always have that Presbyterian-ism.
- speakerAnd I hate to say "-ism" but it is is a part of
- speakeryou. And we had a large community
- speakerat that time we called it the Lytle Grove community. The L in my name stands for Lytle, L Y T L E. And
- speakerwe had our school in our community which was Lytle grove school.
- speakerI can remember when the Rosenwald School there was a
- speakerhigh school that was in the south.
- speakerThe. Afro-American children put out.
- speakerRoseenwald. I don't remember the initials but.
- speakerI've forgotten what Mr. wrote the nation.
- speakerIt. Rosewald.
- speakerI went to high school in the Cabarrus county in
- speakerConcord North Carolina.
- speakerConcord, Okay.
- speakerLogan high school.
- speakerAt that time it was a young high school because that was something new for the
- speakerSoutherners.
- speakerA lot of the communities didn't have high school.
- speakerYes.
- speakerIt was one in Logan it was a grade school.
- speakerYes.
- speakerAfter high school.
- speakerWhat were your future plans like.
- speakerI planned to maybe go into college and get a doctorate degree and
- speakerall this but other plans came up. I got married and I had a very good husband
- speakerand a good marriage.
- speakerI raised family. My family and quite a few other people's children
- speakerI worked with children for many years.
- speakerWhat was your husband's name.
- speakerEsau, E-S-A-U.
- speakerCannon, C-A-N-N-O-N.
- speakerYes.
- speakerHe was an identical twin, he had a twin brother named Jacob Cannon, Esau and Jacob.
- speakerThey were named Jacob and Esau.
- speakerMm-hmm
- speakerThat's a heavy handle on if you're an identical twin named Esau.
- speakerYeah. Just carrying the name. If you read the stories it makes you remember them.
- speakerYeah.
- speakerDid that affect. His personality or demeanor.
- speakerYou think.
- speakerCarrying that weight.
- speakerYeah.
- speakerWell, it wasn't too heavy but everybody knew the Cannon twins. Yeah I did.
- speakerYeah.
- speakerJacob and Esau. What was what was Esau's profession.
- speakerHe worked in textiles, at the Cannon Mills.
- speakerSo now we're at the Cannon Mills.
- speakerWe're back to Cannon Mills.
- speakerSo you were married and you and Esau moved to Kannapolis.
- speakerYes.
- speakerYou said you raised.
- speakerYour own family and many other family members.
- speakerMany other children. I worked with the.
- speakerKindergarten department in the churches.
- speakerAt that time a lot of parents had to go to work they'd bring their kids, children by my
- speakerhouse. I used the church which is next door
- speakerto me. As a kindergarten.
- speakerQuite a few kids That went through my hands.
- speakerAnd. The.
- speakerChurch that you were a member of.
- speakerCovenant Presbyterian Kannapolis.
- speakerAnd just so I know.
- speakerWhat decade we're in at this point.
- speakerWhen you when did you and Esau move to Kannapolis.
- speakerWe got married. November 19, 1938.
- speakerWe moved to Kannapolis on November 20th 1938.
- speakerEarly that morning by eleven o'clock.
- speakerWhat was that moving day like.
- speakerWell taking my suitcase out of the car.
- speakerPutting it in the car.
- speakerYeah. You were traveling light.
- speakerTraveling light. We were building a house, we had one room completed so we didn't go in
- speakerthe other completion and on that same.
- speakercould continue. It may have been.
- speakerI lived there 18 months and moved across the street district
- speakerwhere there was there was left of his home house.
- speakerThey Cannon home house. I moved across the street.
- speakerI've been there ever since I've been in that same house.
- speakerThe house was completed in May 1940.
- speakerThe Cannon mills.
- speakerThe 30s and 40s.
- speakerCorrect me if I'm wrong but my impression of the period is that during that time a lot
- speakerof the mills from the north.
- speakerIn. Massachusetts in particular were kind of transferring
- speakeroperations to the south.
- speakerTo.
- speakerTo avoid using union labor in the north and to
- speakerexploit the kind of underpaid wage level of
- speakerBlack labor in the south.
- speakerWhat was life like for Esau in the Cannon Mills.
- speakerWe didn't have the union a union.
- speakerThe Cannon Mill property was owned by private people at that time.
- speakerMostly by the Cannon family and the
- speakerDayvaults and other people because it wasn't until about 30 years ago to
- speakerhim but before we ever had a city,
- speakerit was always just a community. Cannon Mills was at one time one of the largest textile companies
- speakerin the nation.
- speakerDuring this time. And there were.
- speakerThousands of people working in three shifts and.
- speakerThe chances for African Americans at that time weren't very good.
- speakerBecause they had to take menial work, that wasn't productive.
- speakerIn fact I was the first African American woman to ever work in a productive job
- speakerin Cannon Mills.
- speakerI was going to ask. We have an oral history taken with
- speakerKatie Cannon from the 80s where she lifts you
- speakerup as.
- speakerShe tells a little bit about your story as.
- speakerOne of the first African-American women.
- speakerI was the first.
- speakerYou were the very first. And you worked what was your job.
- speakerWell I work in the spinning department and unless you know what I'm talking
- speakerabout but I ran the machine or a machine to
- speakerit.
- speakerTo get the yarn ready to spin that made the material for the sheets and the linens that
- speakerwere being made at that time.
- speakerHow long did you work there.
- speakerWell in fact I was late getting there.
- speakerBecause of the way the situation was you know.
- speakerAnd I worked I had all of my children were here
- speakerand
- speakerI started working in 1963. And I worked and I had my mother with me
- speakerand my children. I just I didn't make quite 15
- speakeryears right at 15 years I worked .
- speakerRegular. But I never did.
- speakerI never did it really quit.
- speakerI just told them I'd be back when the situation.
- speakerWhen my mother passed and then before I got back but other things.
- speakerThey were all getting in school. Everyone got into college. I'm
- speakergetting a minimum wage increase.
- speakerI got it right when I got the last one in a car
- speakerfor college.
- speakerYeah. Tell me.
- speakerI don't know the birth order ages of your children.
- speakerCan you run it down real quick.
- speakerWhat's the name of your oldest child.
- speakerThe oldest child is James. Ernest.
- speakerCannon, he is the granddaddy of Nicholas Scott. Nick.
- speakerHe's the grandfather.
- speakerHe has quite a few others, grands.
- speakerOne of his youngest grandsons graduated this past May from Howard University.
- speakerJaven Carter Cannon
- speakerCongratulations are in order.
- speakerWho's next after James.
- speakerEsau Levon. L-E-V-O-N
- speakerThank you. Who's next after.
- speakerSarah Elizabeth.
- speakerCannon Fleming.
- speakerWho's next after her
- speakerDoris Corine Cannon Love
- speakerAnd so Katie Geneva is fifth.
- speakerOh I forgot Katie!
- speakerOh. That's OK.
- speakerAfter Sarah was Katie Geneva Cannon.
- speakerOK she's fourth.
- speakerYeah, and then Doris.
- speakerAnd. They met and a foster daughter.
- speakerSylvia Moon Wynn
- speakerW-Y-N-N. And John
- speakerWesley John Wesley.
- speakerJohn Wesley is another foster child?
- speakerNo that's my child.
- speakerOh goodness gracious.
- speakerYes. And then.
- speakerJerry Lytle.
- speakerIs that. Yeah.
- speakerThere is certainly a special place in heaven for mothers
- speakerand mothers of seven children.
- speakerHave some special room there.
- speakerWhat was it. What was it like.
- speakerHow far apart was the spread between James and Jerry.
- speakerEight years ten years twelve years to that.
- speakerTwenty five years.
- speakerJerry was born, when James was already married.
- speakerGoodness gracious.
- speakerAfter high school dear James Ernest went
- speakerinto service, military service. He married while he was in
- speakerthe service.
- speakerSo Katie grew up right in the middle of this big
- speakerShe used that for an excuse.
- speakerExcuse for what.
- speakerWell you know anytime, It's not my fault I was in the
- speakermiddle I didn't get as much time. She said she didn't get as much time as
- speakereverybody else. She told that in school.
- speakerWhat else did she say.
- speakerI didn't know that she wasn't getting the time she was supposed to.
- speakerBut she did use it.
- speakerShe said that Katie.
- speakerThat Sarah and Doris got more attention.
- speakerWe have a very happy fan.
- speakerThis is my, that's Miss Winn over there.
- speakerWhat was school like for the Cannon children.
- speakerWell I think it was very good for them
- speakerThey all went to. That was my husband's main reason and purpose for living was to educate
- speakerthose children.
- speakerTo see that they got an education. Because he was not that blessed.
- speakerHis parents were sharecroppers.
- speakerAnd if you I know you read about how hard it was for a lot of the sharecroppers.
- speakerI was blessed to be in just a little better circumstances
- speakerthan. My family was because they were landowners
- speakerand I like I say entreprenurs working from the age 7
- speakersomething.
- speakerWe were brought up being salesepersons.
- speakerFor about 50 years I was referred to as the
- speakerfamous Avon lady in both counties. I sold quite a bit of Avon.
- speakerKatie Geneva went to the public school?
- speakerShe went to public schools.
- speakerGeorge Washington Carver High School in Kannapolis.
- speakerAnd after that she went to Barber-Scotia. And after that she went to ITC.
- speakerShe was blessed, she got scholarships, she went cum laude, she was
- speakera straight-A student.
- speakerAnd from that she went to Union in New York got her doctor's degree there.
- speakerWhen.
- speakerWhen she went off to Barbara Scotia What was that like for you.
- speakerWell I looked forward to it my great my grandparents my grandmother.
- speakerHer great grandparents were one of the first graduates.
- speakerIt was Scotia seminary at that time.
- speakerYeah.
- speakerAnd so it was like a landmark for us.
- speakerIn fact it was just about 12-15 miles from our house so they were
- speakerexpected to go there because it was.
- speakerWith that many children and their ages being so close together.
- speakerKate was born in 1950. Doris was born in 1951,
- speakerSara was born in 1948.
- speakerSo that was three right together. But Miss Winn, Sylvia, went to Spelman.
- speakerThat's what brought her to Atlanta.
- speakerThey all graduated from Carver.
- speaker
- speakerSo you were close enough when Katie was at Barbara Scotia to stay in
- speakertouch a little bit. Or was it one of those things where you get a little bit away from
- speakeryour parents just in order to get freedom.
- speakerI saw them about every week. If they weren't there they were home
- speakerwith me. Can boxes of food.
- speakerPies and cakes and things.
- speakerAnd so Katie was there.
- speakerI guess between 68 and 72.
- speakerYeah. Sara graduated 70, Katie was next
- speakerThere is. There was a.
- speakerRecording I think done in 2008.
- speakerWhere the church interviewed Katie about the experience
- speakerof being a college student at Barber Scotia on the
- speaker4th of April 1968 when Martin Luther King was assassinated.
- speakerDid you and she talk about that experience.
- speakerYou know I mean she would have been a college freshman and.
- speakerYes she enjoyed being at Barber Scotia.
- speakerShe was Miss Barber Scotia for one year.
- speakerShe did a lot of different things.
- speakerShe talks about having a kind of.
- speakerPolitical awakening.
- speakerShe was there during the time of.
- speakerThat Martin Luther King's.
- speakerMovement. Yeah.
- speakerWith a lot of changes going on.
- speakerWas there other kind of political or cultural ferment
- speakerKannapolis at the time.
- speakerOh yes.
- speakerTell me more.
- speakerEverything was segregated for us and naturally
- speakerthere'd be policitcal problems. There was a lot of tension in the school
- speakerI'm I'm also from the south by my high school did
- speakernot integrate until 68 so 14 years after Brown v.
- speakerBoard.
- speakerMy mother's high school didn't integrate until 1970.
- speakerWell. That kept us through a lot
- speakerof things they were not exposed to.
- speakerThe African American children.
- speakerTell me more.
- speakerWell, it was separate and very unequal. I think that's what we said instead of separate and equal. Very unequal.
- speakerNo comparison to a lot of white places.
- speakerKannapolis itself is an
- speakeralmost entirely Black community?
- speakerWell yes and see all of the schools all the churches all of the properties.
- speakerAll the properties were owned by the Cannons. But
- speakerit was Since we did not have a union.
- speakerI'm going to try to make it plain for you to see.
- speakerThe parental care was there and it wasn't like you may be
- speakerthinking it is different when I say parental.
- speakerThe schools there were times
- speakerduring before integration. The school system
- speakerof Cabarrus County and Kannapolis city schools.
- speakerHave never been together. See Kannapolis is in Cabarrus County.
- speakerBut there's a Cabarrus County school system.
- speakerAnd then. But.
- speakerJ.W.
- speakerCannon was the older Cannon. Charles Cannon was really the one
- speakerthat was in charge of the churches and the schools
- speakerthere. And anytime that money was needed rather than having you with
- speakerever the Union, at one time Charles Cannon paid the teachers' salary. So
- speakerall the schools and all the churches the mainline churches were on Cannon property.
- speakerAt one time.
- speakerSo Charles Cannon's philanthropy for the schools and churches
- speakeris in lieu of paying union wages?
- speakerNot in lieu of where you got your wages but they were minimum.
- speakerLivable but minimum.
- speakerAnd the other needs.
- speakerYou could always depend on the Cannons.
- speakerThis. Is probably gonna sound like.
- speakerHe died in.
- speakerApril, I can't think of the year But when he died the Cannon
- speakerFoundation supported
- speakerall churches but particularly the Presbyterian church.
- speakerAnd that persists today.
- speakerYeah it persists today one of the.
- speakerHis grandson Robert Hayes Jr.
- speakeris in charge of the Cannon Foundation.
- speakerI suppose I'd like to circle back to Covenant Presbyterian Church in Kannapolis.
- speakerCovenant Presbyterian Church is 60
- speakeryears old I believe this October.
- speakerWhen you would take the family to church what was that experience like.
- speakerI live next door to the church. And
- speakerthere were woods in this area.
- speakerThis church was built by the Presbyterian
- speakerChurch, Southern Presbyterian Church of Concord.
- speakerThere was a couple elders that built this church in this community.
- speakerFrom the First Presbyterian Church in
- speakerKannapolis. Bob. R. M. Efrid, E-F-R-I-E-D was in charge.
- speakerAnd so it was a it was a mission church of the PCUS.
- speakerYes.
- speakerAnd it was organized.
- speakerAround 60 years ago. And my husband had to clear the lot off to build the church. We built it. Even
- speakerin a communities. The community where it is is called Fisher Town.
- speakerA community from Kannapolis.
- speakerWe're not incorporated yet.
- speakerFisher Town.
- speakerFisher Town.
- speakerFisher Town community.
- speakerI live in Fishtown in Philadelphia.
- speakerVery industrious little place
- speakerAnd so so you. Your family was members of a new church.
- speakerEffectively a new church development in the 50s
- speakerVery prosperous and growing because it was a growing community Covenant
- speakerUnited Presbyterian, we were United had to we get out.
- speakerWe left the Southern presbytery.
- speakerWe were organized by Catawba Presbytery
- speakerSo you left the South during Catawba Presbyterian
- speakerone of the All Black govenrning bodies
- speakerThat was one of the larger presbyteries in the eastern part of North Carolina
- speakerKatie was ordained in Catawba Presbytery is that right. Do I
- speakerhave that correct.
- speakerShe was the first African American female.
- speakerAnd the last person that was ever ordained in Catawba Presbytery was Jerry and
- speakerwe made history all along.
- speakerYou know the advertisement says the first to go to college and the first to drop out.
- speakerWhen was Jerry ordained in Catawba.
- speakerWhat year was it.
- speakerThat's changes
- speakeror rupture.
- speakerWhen was there no more Northern or Southern churches. No.
- speakerIt's 1983 was reunion.
- speaker(sotto voce) I'm 99 years old I can't remember
- speakerSo
- speakerthe Cannon family has had an imprint on the life of the presbytery
- speakerof that one all Black governing body.
- speakerAnd Jerry's already been a moderator of Charlotte Presbytery.
- speakerAnd he is on quite a few other committees.
- speakerIn fact I worked with Presbytery too.
- speakerI've been to General Assembly about 8 times.
- speakerOh what was your first General Assembly.
- speakerMy first General Assembly that I attended was in 1961
- speaker[1969] at San Antonio, Texas.
- speakerWhat were the major issues that first General Assembly.
- speakerThe same as today. We had racial
- speakerissues. We had sexual issues.
- speakerWe have some of the issues that we study and worry about now in the church are the same ones that
- speakerwe have always had.
- speakerA lack of money in places and
- speakerthe budget and those were the kinds of issues that we had then are still here.
- speakerDo you think that the way the church.
- speakerAddresses. Those issues has changed in 50 years.
- speakerAre we doing any better.
- speakerAre circling around.
- speaker[silently declines]
- speakerHave you seen the General Assembly address those issues differently
- speaker1961 compared to like 1981 to 2009.
- speakerYes I do. I see they address it differently.
- speakerBut I would say I really don't know. I can't speak to that person.
- speakerI don't see much change in what we do. We
- speakerlosing. Really. But I've been here a long time.
- speakerThat we were losing members. But I know now we are losing a lot of our members.
- speakerSo you've been to four general assemblies.
- speakerI've been to eight.
- speakerI'm sorry eight.
- speakerI've worked on different levels.
- speakerCommittees.
- speakerYou know the Board of National Missions at 475 Riverside Drive, I sat on that committee. Attended all the meetings we had over there.
- speakerOK so you were on the governing committee of the Board of National Missions. And
- speakeryou said you've been a commissioner as well.
- speakerYes I've been a commissioner about three or four times.
- speakerYeah. What was the most interesting committee you were on.
- speakerCesar Chavez, you know the farmer.
- speakerCesar Chavez.
- speakerYeah yeah. I was on that committee, I met with those people.
- speakerThat was it. It was in.
- speakerWithout a those in San Antonio.
- speakerMaybe 71.
- speakerI'm looking for it.
- speakerLet's see
- speakerSan Antonio was 1969.
- speakerAnd there was a where urging that I would go.
- speakerI was a commissioner in Chicago. And I was in Baltimore.
- speakerAnd I went to Atlanta for one. I think that's the only place I would do that one.
- speakerI came to Atlanta when the Southern and Northern were going together
- speakerYou were at reunion.
- speakerI was at reunion.
- speakerSo you met with Cesar Chavez in 1970 in Chicago.
- speakerYeah. Yes I believe that's right.
- speakerYeah. I have my notes and diaries.
- speakerThat would be great. We would we're very committed to.
- speakerHelping preserve. The story of your family.
- speakerAnd if you have.
- speakerNotes and personal papers available.
- speakerI would love to bring them in to make them accessible.
- speakerIf that's just a blanket offer.
- speakerTo.
- speakerDo you remember anything about the committee's work with Cesar Chavez and the United
- speakerFarm Workers.
- speakerIt was the standard assent we give in all our committees. I don't know really.
- speakerIf there was change from our committee. I mean personally I'm talking personally.
- speakerThere might have been other things that I didn't know about.
- speakerBut I know we always had those issues.
- speakerThe farm workers you know everybody was being
- speakeroppressed. That time. It was being brought up at the General Assembly.
- speakerBut was there a difference made I can't say how I wouldn't dare say.
- speakerThat.
- speakerI keep talking about the 1970 journals because
- speakerwe have.
- speakerWe have motion picture footage of the 1970 assembly.
- speakerAnd there were very extensive interviews done with youth delegates.
- speakerYeah, YADs I believe we called them
- speakerYeah yeah yeah. And so the church was very much interested in
- speakerkind of addressing the concerns of the youth of the day.
- speakerAnd. So it's it's kind of a focus for us especially since we're coming up on
- speaker50 years since.
- speaker2020.
- speakerBaltimore. Like you say we're going to be dealing with many of the same issues the church
- speakerwas facing back in 1970.
- speakerHearing that the church was attempting
- speakerto bear witness to the struggles of farm workers in 1970.
- speakerIt. Seems to have historic resonance today.
- speakerFolks migrating north and being detained in.
- speakerConcentration camps. Children.
- speakerYou've been involved in the church and many levels.
- speakerYou've been a commissioner in the General Assembly.
- speakerHow long have you been involved with the National Black Presbyterian Caucus.
- speakerThe first time I heard I guess over 61.
- speakerUsually you know when we had General Assembly you know it was always a day or so we would
- speakerhave a meeting.
- speakerJerry was in Philadelphia I believe.
- speakerWhat year was that.
- speakerThe last time it was in Philadelphia.
- speakerI know of.
- speakerIt mighta been 1989.
- speakerThat sounds right We all went up to Philadelphia. That's when Jerry Cannon was at presbytery
- speakerSo. You've been involved with the Black Caucus since 1989.
- speakerYeah I've been to a lot of the meetings since that time
- speakerWhat brought you into the caucus.
- speakerWhat does that do for you.
- speakerThe same thing I said. If it is good, I don't mind being involved in it.
- speakerThat can just say what brought me into it but I've been in the Presbyterian church active
- speakersince 1940.
- speakerYeah yeah.
- speakerSo it's not a matter of choosing You've been chosen.
- speakerIt's just me being asked to serve on committees.
- speakerNever did know how to say no.
- speakerAnd
- speakerwe used to during the Presbyterian women United Presbyterian Women
- speakerused to help a lot with the publication and not the publication of it.
- speakerBut the distribution in selling it subscriptions for
- speakerConcern and Horizons all our different books.
- speakerAnd the national meeting at Purdue at one time I went to Purdue every year I
- speakerhaven't been to the national meeting since 1988.
- speakerThe other day from the first meeting we had was
- speakerat Maryville Tennessee and.
- speakerI didn't go then for about eight or ten years every year after that when we started
- speakerin every year and then every two years like that I used to always try to get to the
- speakermeetings.
- speakerGet other people encourage other people to go and read our.
- speakerPresbyterian Women's magazine.
- speakerI still do.
- speakerDo you have any thoughts about the transition from Catawba
- speakerPresbytery as an all black governing body into
- speakerthe post 1983.
- speakerHaving just geographic presbyteries and fully integrated presbyteries
- speakerWell that's what you call progress you don't stop progress then there's
- speakerthe next level. You miss a lot that you leave behind.
- speakerYou don't want to miss your present blessings because you're holding on to the past
- speakerI had the same question about their councils for a lot of different people of
- speakervarying opinions.
- speakerYou get You miss a whole lot of the good things that's coming to you in the future by
- speakerholding on. This too shall pass. Enjoy
- speakerit while it's passing and go on to the next level. It's not gonna be the same.
- speakerYou don't always have the same people.
- speakerNow that we've entered the realm of.
- speakerPhilosophy.
- speakerOf do you have any special pieces of advice for.
- speakerThe youth of Black Caucus for the youth of the Presbyterian Church.
- speakerThat's a deep subject. I think it is a great need.
- speakerI think there's a whole lot. I really feel like and I shouldn't say it because I'm not
- speakerthere. I mean I'm just speaking my personal opinions about these things because there's
- speakerthings going on I don't really know about.
- speakerBut seemingly the training that I got in
- speakerthat my children got as Presbyterians.
- speakerI don't see that same training.
- speakerBeing. Now.
- speakerWell people always used to send their children to church camps.
- speakerGhost Ranch. I don't hear of anybody going to Ghost Ranch.
- speakerWhat was the place in New York, we always at my church we always sent.
- speakerDid you send people to Stony Point?
- speakerStony Point, yes my son in law would fill up his van and take the crowd for a week.
- speakerWell we go to New York with kids with
- speakerchildren under 18.
- speakerWe started to get children in the church who wanted to come to Sunday school every Sunday.
- speakerThe ones who were in the youth choir They either went to Stony Point Ghost Ranch.
- speakerWhat someplace said they were running the people too.
- speakerI remember one year they had so many who wanted to go would go in and the restriction was
- speakerthat couldn't go. I think they had to be a senior in high school.
- speakerSomething like that.
- speakerAnd I had children who had tears in their eyes wanted to go who worked in [Spelman] and
- speakergotten the money and I got a notice from the lady that was running the place at
- speakerStony Point if I sent them and they weren't qualified then
- speakerI sent them anyway.
- speakerAnd I got complimented for sending them they
- speakersaid they were well-behaved. Smart. And they are still in the Presbyterian Church.
- speakerSo the experience of going to a camp as a youth was formative.
- speakerSo whatever whatever you know we had the youth conferences.
- speakerThat still might be happening. But I don't see the people in my area around getting
- speakertraining too much. Like I say just about that interest.
- speakerYeah that training is there is always.
- speakerI call it "ism". But it's always there.
- speakerThe Ism is always with you.
- speakerOh yeah. You do somethings that.
- speakerIf you're born with it and it's the right thing you can always always it'll always be
- speakerthere
- speakerThat sounds like a good place to end for now.
- speakerThank you for your time Corine.
- speakerI hope this is.
- speakerNot the last time you get to speak with us.
- speakerI did.
- speakerI like a good conversation.
- speakerOK.
- speakerThank you.