Kenneth G. Neigh interviewed by R. W. Bauer, 1983, side 2.

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And
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tearing down
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on this
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business
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anyway Steve the clerk
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to the passport
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and they checked into
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a hotel
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we're getting getting
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dressed
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and
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manager of the hotel came up to the shop
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and in the
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melee that followed
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and broke his arm.
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Well this was General Assembly
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and we
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will never
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know the drama.
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So these two guys.
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I think that probably galvanized
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the General Assembly
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more than
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you were the year
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or the location of the
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my memory is that was on the side
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that will be here
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in a little
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more
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so that
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sixty four
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Oklahoma City
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hapless
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which is a long time before
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the big stakes
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676 Yeah.
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I talked to Gene Blake a couple of days
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ago and he recalled
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something Pastor
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or somebody being
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arrested.
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In South Carolina
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bail
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somebody put a dollar
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what happened.
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OK.
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This happened. Johnson says
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it was it was a curious kind
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of thing. I went down to Johnson to
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try it to
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I had had Stanley
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has a friend.
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And they were trying to get money from
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the foundation.
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Johnson Johnson the Smiths.
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So I went down to them
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and
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they can produce the next
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kids. Johnson says Smith
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said the
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store
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has so much profile after
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his arrest
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and
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this would be at a lunch counter
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with Rex
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and
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Jack had more pockets.
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That was one of the things that
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was fun
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but was also discouraged.
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Everybody had his own little pocket money
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and had a pocket.
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And it happened this kid was the son
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of one of his sons.
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So we're up with the money to get some
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of them even though it
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went against everything
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that
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it was a sort of
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now. Would that have been before
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this incident Oh
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yes.
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You know for those of us who were Johnny come
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lately
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getting involved
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with you are
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away.
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These are early
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was there.
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You heard a couple of times too
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like Baldwin was more conservative
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make friends that
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are Jack
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those that
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turned us off.
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But was that typical of
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the mission's posture.
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I would think it would be more of a leopard
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for example
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no one would ever
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suggest a
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reaction
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from what really was
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the one who
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was making policy
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for the mission.
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But
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that was it. That is a good deal of cruelty.
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So that Herman had around
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him people didn't necessarily
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agree with him philosophically
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but
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who befriends
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you one way
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or another.
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So that is
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probably a good working relationships
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that you walk around a lot of
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people.
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You had everybody at the back of the line
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to do the
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I hadn't really thought about
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that
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question to raise
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sharp
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was
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politically
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but
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got involved in all sorts
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of
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far out.
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And his
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is his administration was the administration
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by
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some
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we keep bouncing up
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close
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to the major
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racial
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involvements of 67
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68.
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There
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was
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Wilmore was
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he the head of the national
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religion race.
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How old he was.
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He was a staff
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social educational
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board.
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Which he was not the first
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one.
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Marshall Scott
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and it came into being
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as I say we slid into
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the first the first
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real committee on
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religion and race.
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The committee made
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up of
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staff within the
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board from
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the first one.
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Now in the
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case in the first
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place in
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which
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all fifty's under Paul
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Payne had passed the plethora
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of actions
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upon which we were able to stand in
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the 60s so that we
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seldom had to go to the General Assembly
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for any supporting action because it
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was on
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the Board of Education that
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done that just might say we slid
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into
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the workforce and education
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and socialized medicine as a political
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committee.
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Which
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probably
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would have taken
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over the race.
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Order we were just
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missed with the
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committee meetings for question.
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OK.
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And
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it's a big hassle.
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This is what the commission
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staff
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and it was conflict.
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It's really been consummated democracy.
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And
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while
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John was
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vigorous wasn't going to put
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in the committee.
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And so while
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this was going on
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Merrill last
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days
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and Merrill
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others
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from this from
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his staff working
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behind the scenes
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went wasn't the General Assembly
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and
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marshal Scott
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with all these
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little groups getting to
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say this.
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And William Blake was
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very upset
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and we parted
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ways
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and I remember
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just as we were ready to go on
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presentation we were
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in this state
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office.
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And Blake said well
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I guess I'll have to go.
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That's Blake civil rights.
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OK.
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OK.
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This was the boy that was with.
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And then as I say
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Marshal Scott was
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the
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first
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there is this story
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and I don't know where it fits
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but there is this story that is apocryphal
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about
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Smith sitting on the platform
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and General Assembly going to put
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a million dollars together to do something
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to make it the media that makes
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his story.
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Well that was when was that in English.
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That was that was in 69.
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And that was the thing it really got me in
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trouble.
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It was
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fun for itself to get that.
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That's how they are so close.
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And it was great
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to do at that
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assembly Senator
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proposal
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from the Southern Senators made made
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some spear
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and
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general counsel
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couldn't agree on
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any formula
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and so it
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came
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with no recommendation
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at all
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to clean it we've come
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in late
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and fill the chairs
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with the generals and general counsel
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Phil Djama is
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on the other side that
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and
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we are both appalled
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before the
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but any
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has before
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you ever
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and
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from done
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as a percentage
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of a percentage of
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it was 2 million
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dollars is Johnstone's
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and made the announcement was
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and that was the
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year of the
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presence felt.
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Yes.
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My son is
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some girl said
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and Bill
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Thompson's laws
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and we say
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that because there would probably
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have been trouble.
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The feeling was that strong
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and as a generals
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General Counsel walked
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off the stage
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or the charitable
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organization
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said that he earned
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we have to have a
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church organization.
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And I
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say that's where
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the trouble began for me.
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This a little off track
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edification
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torn between whether the organization
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primarily the product
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or
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effort to reshape
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the sort of national mission
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administrative process of
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which I have always assumed
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was your idea
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of something you push
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and how much of it was in response
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to this stuff
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well
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actually the idea of
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came in response to personnel
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letter
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the Taylor let's
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just see now.
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And there was
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no way to get rid of
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so
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that that General
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Assembly or some other
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an overture from
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him.
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Yes it was.
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And they want
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to play for advice on how to
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write
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and Blake tacked on
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this over
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other things.
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And this
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whole thing.
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And that
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offer was
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focused on this
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particular problem.
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There's no problem.
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Well then the personnel problem came up
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some
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and I decided
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to use
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I have no difficulty
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because of
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difficulties.
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The other
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reason we couldn't do anything personally
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was because it was
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so
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that's that's
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the reorganization
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that's self
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was always had
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to
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with the dispersion
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administration.
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It was
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maximum participation
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sometimes go to
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that direction.
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But you seem to think
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what Mr.
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there was one
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vital element
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that was
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saboteurs in the organization.
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An artist in the dispersement
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I
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would preserve a national picture.
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And you do that by
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having some kind of a cohesive budget
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process
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and that's what we had
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no nations staff
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submissions.
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And with the budget together
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and then
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after the budget was hammered out
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the symbolism.
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But that
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was the budget.
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And as I
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say the organization
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said to us as
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a company that
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this has to do with this false crisis
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one of the reasons is
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to respond to crisis
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and this is because of
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the emphasis on accountability
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that accountability is
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a structured reorganization
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makes it almost impossible
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for
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you see that's where all the Masons
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sang about sabotaging
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this
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ladder.
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Prince checks
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and balances
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in our system.
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We need you inside.
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All right.
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There's also some off
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that really do you think the
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there was a large emphasis
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on mission about
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connecting overseas
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missions
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that is used as a way of
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structure
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my sense that
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was
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the emphasis here.
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The guy in charge for evangelism
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is going to Salon where that evangelists
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etc..
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It's more fun that way.
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Yeah well
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John Smith. And later
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on down Blyde
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Well down the road
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that intelligence connection
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this itself's
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I suppose it was
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more about
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having organized the
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administration of
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and then the first one the first
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since
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we got into an art
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Johnson
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Thompson.
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The scope of the
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and
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Thompson
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of course
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with a broader
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interpretation of the action
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and the
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we thought the
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action carried
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a very
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sharp in
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a sense John Smith
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and zoomable
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are against that.
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And upset the pulpit was
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that we were not so
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and in that sense
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the committee acted as a
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shaker.
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Yep
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but it did do
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away.
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It was followed
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by
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that's well it did
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away with
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if there was any and the people did it.
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So they can have
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terrible fights that
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go on.
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Well you know I don't think
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that I
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and
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I couldn't because of
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the waterfall
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dispensing
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is just awful.
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And I don't have to say this
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that you did.
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Some people discovered
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by
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I suppose to
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people like
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Thomas
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you mentioned you talked a little
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bit about the relationship of
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socialism.
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There is the
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commission has started under siege that
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it became quote
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became a part of national mission
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and that didn't happen without a
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struggle.
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The struggle here
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the struggle was the whole
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on the Christian education side.
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This
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madness philosophy that
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you get the best people you can
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go after.
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And so
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I guess we had the image of
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having
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freedom those very
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limits
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and
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so
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when it couldn't be
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handled and border
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and education
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they went to
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I'm not saying that
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it wasn't
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political.
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Oh no.
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Say that
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my answer is that
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there was very very
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little conflict
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in the back like
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war and all of those people.
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One wonders
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as a matter of fact years
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before
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staff social education
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action
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banned Sissel
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Cliff URL that
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that would be wise
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to
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find the slate to
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work to get them
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on this.
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Well this is
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all year after
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instead of
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stepping back and being a little philosophical
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about crisis response.
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And there is there is
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traditionally been
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this
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Tudor style.
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Yes a smart
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boy
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mission style
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and Faust portable.
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That's for later.
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Even among some of those statements that have been
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made by others.
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And so it's interesting that these people
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are
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currently
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I'm still content.
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So
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we've got himself back together
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here for
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yes said much about David.

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Title: Kenneth G. Neigh interviewed by R. W. Bauer, 1983, side 2.
Description: Interview conducted as part of Bauer's preparation of the report "An Historical Study of Past Denominational Responses to Social, Political and Economic Crises."
Creator: Neigh, Kenneth Glenn, 1908-1996. (interviewee)
Bauer, Richard Waldron, 1930- (interviewer)
Date: 1983
Type of resource: sound recording-nonmusical
Genre: interviews
sound recordings
Form: audiocassettes
Extent: 1 audio cassette, 1-7/8 ips
Language: English
Topics: Civil rights--United States.
Vietnam War, 1961-1975.
Geographic subjects: North and Central America--United States
Rights status: Contact repository for more information
Physical location: ARCHIVES 85-0930; Presbyterian Historical Society, Philadelphia, PA
Related item: R. W. Bauer papers, 1977-1985.--http://prestohost68.inmagic.com/Presto/content/Detail.aspx?ctID=Y2RiNWNk...
Identifier (local): 85-0930_bauer_neigh_1983_side2
PID (Persistent Identifier): islandora:116438

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