We can the stuff with the. I was there might be with that when I come from

you go to

convert brother. Right up to the border. And we clear the air and try to our friends after

that he was not the best thought the. He just the what the direction of

the venue ism was

changing and that a new

approach movers at the center of this is the one nine hundred eighty

three level of and.

The early on you don't remember any know we have know pretty much their enthusiasm for

the direction they kept going OK So board member was a member amigos.

No had a friend who was ordered member had a friend who was sunny and

the friend who said to this board member. Your organization. We're ready

to sell our building.

Your organization ought to have our building because it was in the ideal youth center and

I'm interested in you sent to it

this he goes part member sect. And he said would you are correct or like

to walk through the building and see whether the like and who were three times.

Says I think he's fifty seven I don't know the dates at all.

This is never going to lose to sail or die anytime between fifty four and

fifty eight. I were to have seen that building. Two or three times and became

very familiar. Was entirely what was in that building and what

was not suitable with it.

And as we got stronger.

As an organization. I realized that time came that maybe we should present this.

So Billy Graham. Came out with a motion. Was it a grand came out with

a a series of

films that started with Mr

Texas. One under or the old tower USA and then when you out a series

of bias toward Christian bells. Which. But a grandmother is action.

And I saw there was a

tremendous you know Angelus think the movie and so we had our side

getting runaways we showed those films for Robin speaker.

And I have or ties them as

sucks. To both of them by the WRONG with Jim Crow

laws came with the film. Wiretap or which he

gave his testimony he was a former writer types. And

I for the F.B.I. or for none other know.

Oh yes. In this. No I mean really was a minute let's not make him with intellect

the thing is I actually he was intellect they say if they think he's

a sinner but

anyhow high assume a copy of that.

Robert Kapper film which my assistant. Jordan's coverup

charges to

show. The income

from was to be used as a seat for you to further

the purchase and possible purchase of the building. The

Eagles led. One night

doing fifty six.

The United

States Army Reserve.

Selected. But building. As a place where there.

People could be traded.

And they had a former

place. That was owned by a group of Jewish

businessman. And I'm Jewish those men went to the

Eagles and arranged for rental. Of the building so

that they could put the Army Reserve in

there. That's the

time when that was

announced in the Buffalo. We're Express newspaper. I brought

that quote. I read that the building

been rented to the United States Army for to

hear what was what they would have read

it and I was just about to make an offer. I

literally when that came out and I took that

paper home and I said Jamie. What are my done wrong

that the Lord would check this one I was so sure that building was going to

be ours. Here in the. So.

So we felt that was that the other

was Providence.

Was going to use that United States Army. Rental of the name

to preserve its character. Then put they

put plywood for hours over the bowling lanes. They have viable.

The gymnasium.

Into little smelled cubicles so that each. Sergeant could have

an old

place. And they cover the swimming pool.

Whatever used it. The way improved. The.

So the Eagles aren't using

it or this. Died out. The Eagles use of it died

out that way now. They were allies an organization they

simply got a small offices and operated out of small pieces.

Because the television age.

Canceled the need for millions clubs. When the Eagles were building

that building in one hundred twenty five and one hundred fourteen the one thing went by then as

Mega as many as ten

thousand members and. But gradually

it deteriorate with the coming of radio and television.

As a result of

that they had all kinds of things that they were trying to do to get.

To support it. So it'd been not used

for a long

time

but it was not in disrepair. That the governor of the army. Not that it occurs

or about

really an amazing thing was something. Well

that isn't what I was going to say now but you did come home and after that one of

the only time I've ever seen you cry. He said I was so sure.

This list to be building and I had been sell them bare

assed about his talking about this building in every meeting that I wanted to crawl

under the seat.

And at that moment play he says that. I thought this sort of to be. I said. It

is going to be your best building. I said God just gave me his share

and well trying to carry that banner after that.

So the Army did give the army the army took it for two years as

a rental. The rental and then the

rental the recover the use of told the story. The rental.

Was more

money. Then they had to get to

the mothers do wish this was man made

mostly by reading the building of what those selling the problem

building.

So what was I going to show about the.

Well then you're going to tell how a cane.

Blow them up.

Was approached by a large real estate for

a true. They said the Billings ready to be so.

So they made you'd put it that people know you were interested when and if the army was

done and we just kept running. Places too and the work was getting stronger. We are

all a time. Do I have a big crowds in these local churches

or order targets so we're recording our meetings

because God was giving us. Great more

straight to hell and then use that money. I think we

have committed somebody like twenty five hundred dollars from from all for a mistake

and that those twenty five hundred twenty five thousand five hundred.

From the phrase receive those meetings.

And then I say that plenty of presented that that passed back that night. You said

I would like to start a fund. I will keep it

separate from everything and will have nothing to do with that where. And I will keep

that time separate and I will give back all of the money. If we never buy

a building and thanking me to let me Captain that right. Selling

this time

getting money towards our time I was negotiating with this real estate problem for

the purchase of that building or will I have it was twenty five hundred dollars.

So what was the value well they were

asking a hundred thousand dollars for tax spiritually you need to understand that

I call them in their blather and they claim to my house and we

pray as abort. For our go out we're all.

Number

we add at the end of that time I arrest them then the guy at a board meeting.

To put a piece of paper. What they felt we were all to offer for

the building.

The ire of the seven board members Rogo hundred thousand dollars dollars.

True the members where the over the members of my board.

So we don't have any

leading and her brother. Since they just couldn't fathom.

Our new organization taking over subject huge building from twenty five hundred dollars to

one hundred thousand.

So the financial. Oratory when I when I call the greatest man.

I said we'd like to bid. Hundred thousand dollars on the

thing he said How much do you run as a. Do you have as a dial in payment.

I said Tommy five hundred dollars and he laughed at me. Came in my ear I

probably reason why I'm blessed in that. And he said twenty five. I think that

the binder Senate number two would you like. He said well there's fifty thousand

dollars mortgage on the.

I said well we'll assume.

Fifty

percent. Number words I'll give you a day after January.

Twenty five thousand

dollars and exaggerate one hundred fifty

eight. Yep yep.

During that

time. I asked the people by way of the radio program.

Added in was a

letter to our making this which I think the mailing list was somewhere

around six thousand I'm not sure but some

appeal letter out. Told them I had not

money. We kept getting letters and money. But when

we were just a little ways

from a getting the twenty five thousand dollars.

I got one very significant letter from a lady who said I've been given

two dollars a week to your broadcast.

And a moment. Two dollars a month here broadcast and I saw that.

Or I said here's Mrs Fox letter for to the. I opened it up and there was a check to

the south and

office. A couple of other people going what the most money. Ever got.

I think was five thousand. But did you raise the twenty five thousand men and women.

And I had ten women that came in by the end of the month when we opened

up a

full program of fundraising. So this has the same.

Can you describe for our audience.

Rest of the millions of little known orders another What's there's a green folder called A Million

Dollar we're called. I have that organics. But that was the first one. This was a later

one. Can you describe the building.

Yep. As it was before you moved in with the opt out what did you see what how

many floors

or less the building the building was built as a private club.

So the front lobby was

was where it all by huge goer and you. When you entered

from Pearl Street. You could only go about ten feet. And then we would be locked doors.

So that only by the the way. Could be observed. And then cut the cargo

was locked so that there was forced or four hours.

For four hours and a

basement. So that gave really a total of five. And the total space

was sixteen thousand square

feet good posture second. So they don't

use this.

These doors have private.

No UN these doors and then where those stairs start

another set of equally size this is basically do a lot of these double doors. You have to

be double of that big you need double door that there was another set of Evan go dig ourselves.

Rocking that off and another set of that stairwell over there

blocking that so you would walk in here that lobby they're going to go right to the stairs in the club you had to

have them if I clicked on the one I like down. It was just as weapons. When you want

to be there when you either had to go us stairs or you that because downstairs. So

the building was absolutely not and it

kept. The rubble. With the little you will only talk about it

at no point I think. And the government. So. When we

purchased the first thing we did it was to target was doors and they could

open. But describe the building. As as big

as it was when you got OK. The

exterior. The exterior it was two hundred fifty feet wrong. Another hundred fifty feet.

The other was fired for for our floors and the basement.

Stick my starter the basement with that was like when

the basement. Including the a broader

room and they both in

ways of two per hour on one side of of of

the protective. There was a forum where the

sides. There were Muslim

women's rooms of Carter. And so on and

there was a rough sketch or Ross

Taylor you know what

the down. Downstairs. The basement

and shut

all big way. What is a rascality it was like a snack bar. Snack Bar.

OK but it was not was a club the or was it. It was.

It was probably. Not very decorative.

I have put in a bar.

It's somewhat similar. And it went down so they could cut. They had.

It was that it

is small kitchen. They had a kitchen in the back of a shut up. And then right in

front of that was a town there. Where people could come in

order something. And you had a lot of

drinks that night of drinking stuff. That was found in the back not the not that. Well.

That was ranch and

walking there was a rock in cooler back as well as a storage area

for extra virgin wires.

So that a truck could

come a cropper could come up to the set because

building the supplies from the street

into the cooler than that to come in the building to go over

the corridor. Friend of the man that was is that window between that Rathskeller

that was left there.

That's what I was trying to get around

to. And it was a bill. We did. Considerable decoration

when we came in and you know we put in or

that for us in white light it was loud

and you covered the window. But back when

doubtless whatever God That's right. So it's probably really helpful. People are very interested

what it looked like before you moved. So. And the Army pretty much turned it into

a deer ocracy a good deal. Because well we had to clear

everything out of the armory in

there. That had the and I

think it was extremely providential.

But there are we have been in there. Because we sold. We took the plywood. But they

had covered the floors we cut it in the app and made a pipe and tables and

eight year old the kind of forwarding tables The do have but you're going to have for

your affair those forwarding tables. We brought up the legs of

the plywood the legs to the to the structured. So we didn't have when we went or

what tables we

needed to see alone. Even thousand

people around me and down stairs. I mean in the art of trying and when you took

this character out and up in that. That

second opinion. Just. We were trying to describe that moment

but let's just finished. It doesn't have to be super death but what was the next floor op like it

would be to slouch like whatever as

I consider the arch the second floor or on the top or street side. Was

a huge auditorium that the Eagles used as their

main gathering place where they kept their egos.

Tile side was

the oratory. And the the second floor of that was about going to.

So you went from this roller skating rink that we made out of it. Across the

way to the back. Any of the auditorium. Rappers are coming up.

That is that is actually the start because you went down into the basement suite

either

if it were to the service as a base for the performance a

basement may have became a is so I noted with what became the center is a

Tory but it was that ornate. It was very ornate when you went pearls.

Now. Can you. What the old was was paid. What was the

this declared by God I wasn't clear and. What was the rubber skating rink the. When they think you've

got

Mason

oficial fro the room.

That all of the affairs of the Eagles were held in that room meeting just well. Dinners.

Absolutely but mostly meetings and what was the last form of all the way around

the room. There was a plot. Well about the end of it. Of which we ripped up.

But I just like the strong one where they had to have a hard marking monk.

Wrote in the staff trickle clap for me. Yeah brother it was

for the purposes of

their performances they had their own rituals and they turn and he goes do whatever

they do as there was a curtain also on the front of us.

So that the and then that balcony in the back that I do recall list as a down goals. Goals.

You lose our order drawer him as a boxing career. They put a

boxing ring. That's what it was in the middle. No just on certain occasions. They

brought in a ring and chairs they put Jared your own to talk about

Syria and boxing were

shelled now we're not talking about the second floor

and talking about it being all that all right what became the alley or door. Yes. And they used.

So for shows. Sure is big that of entertainment and we're just getting requests for Seriously

I write like new initiative. Rushes right. And

apparently very serious to them when they took people into the organization

and OK. Promenade down there

any idea where they had was their meals.

We don't know much. One The There was as big a deal they ever had as a vacation

and what we've come first for a day had also a dome

where. At the end of the room. I was like to work. Was a drug

like what your left. What always true or the kitchen was

so they could put their meals on the W.B. bring them up to that room what they want

when grandpa when he sat. Well I saw the down lane and I had him.

So you think there's a chance that

the. The mill could have been here. One. Tory more the

other tribe but I don't think the news of the auditorium at all for me. But I

think it was mostly happened that

I. And then the top for the Fourth Circuit look at what we did

not mention was that I look first for where you order climate is and where

my offices became that a close up very long. Surely

this loud

reverie. Led read the books or was to were just your office.

More up toward the. Well like the

upper or lower their lack of the low their starters office your office.

Straight back to what was a row narrow very low

period. Allow you are OK. Let me share.

Flopping on the was only here

really changed our lives. Or is that.

OK. And then the top floor. Assuming it was

a certain four was caught between the top of the auditorium and the top of the monkey most.

There's nothing. There was nothing in there about three or four smoke all

of the room and then the fourth work

or

containing that specially separate areas rather than just outside

the elevator which was a room about thirty by

forty which bless you when this. The mayor was there. The elevator

was there.

And as that room was. I don't know what they said for.

But you. Right through that route to the

gymnasium. And then they had

their pool tables. Card room.

And what. In the room that is how the sky

like a notch where they play go or

they're pulling back or where

card games. Say they just this is raining but they did at the swimming pool already in

place. And

then. And then basketball.

So a brief summary of what Cheney. So OK I

guess from there. How did you purchase if you had a twenty five thousand. You put down.

And we're at a full scale.

Personally read we didn't hire a fundraiser. We used my

brother and I made a list as a means of a

raising plug.

Really gave him out.

Office with them what we retained the fifty thousand dollars

which so that we only raised fifty dollars and dollars to buy

the

building up. That was and we have the fifty thousand that

were the

one month you got half of that and then soon after you got

twenty five thousand more from the old object you were Doesn't versus

a way. Did your renovations began.

And when one variable to hold your first

rally in the Senate. This is an amazing story. You tell about that

we had a friend.

Add a cool. Own Distillery and that he was having a

man term Chicago.

Commit to. It's manic

patients in that this story without by name and I smiled back there are girls

not worked.

I met him who was up very famous checker a her in the

Midwest. And he was used by both a great way

to decorate soldiers feel. When Billy Graham out a big rally

that he was really Oscar who has value certain

rights rally and they were they were going to grab it right twentieth century rights.

As he was famous as a decorator for businesses

also as one was Oscar and he claimed above.

Because he was a personal friend of this man who had a children

still like time parents worked for everybody. We knew with Carla.

And so I

called and asked him.

I said I have a new

seven and would you come and give us some advice as to how to decorate I

were

auditorium. So he came down.

And he said I've got down but you gotta get my

advice. To allow if I can get back to running say his name to Big Bash.

So he came down.

But in his smoking a new center was a three

story apartment house though they. But many other couple of

pings that was I did have a new tenant. He walked in the door

and came in the order. Drawer and he was still the

Hippias

hands. Now Lucky did it was

this. He shows this is this the.

I said yes this is the

building. I thought of as a hug and

it right. You get. And he came down to

the front of the platform

there and he said this is no time to work.

This is the time to

pray and he gathered all about a volunteer workers around.

And he pressed the root giving wisdom.

The do you know we're giving wisdom.

When the fish. And when we finish the

prayer is that. And this is no guy with

a bright. Isn't the guy and he ordered ten.

Ash hands and put paid in various kinds of ash.

So that he could. Entire worlds of the everything but

the ceiling.

In the auditorium was redecorated and color. So did he. I thought this purpose of

this meeting was just a good idea what to work

right away when he did a pretty six weeks.

To read all of

the oil we think he was his was is living

expenses while I was and he came to give us one hour. Yeah.

They say

when he did you get the money. Like you mean redecorate he means painting or he

liked redesigning how to set this up.

He just he planned it all of color. He recognized that there are

froze colors in the building of the letter with you know what they come out

about six inches and. He was going to paint them in this region to

shade of gray. So that they would stay in the muck. That's a kind of thing

and the platform of this is used to have

block or a way around our

image aren't marble our lower part

of the that

critical of the hot sun.

He said that our member do said poor black. Those are the kind of the

N.T. didn't know that if you had to go to a board and say look you would do not look gutter

or he took over and it was a godsend. Absolutely

not that I asked to tell you

he was is a decorated that library Roman put the blocking on the world.

It was

something I think that we had a hundred people on that baffling that the radio.

Hundred people. Night. For many months. And where there.

And as surely Schaeffer and.

I hope they were right I didn't go to the I rolled you had to stop

the

reds then surely And I mean that they

might with the glasses on that. Well I

would gladly and I believe five votes and they pushed us around

back we did meantime I had to have surgery advice.

Because I ruined by breast I couldn't play and signed

and sent it

to every. We had a hundred e-file everything night.

And then Alan did

not say yeah.

Not necessarily the same

under different. Marie Pete's

But what holes was

close to and she would tell you this is our belief.

But then I read to

me which was a P U S K send you know.

Well my friend and his father was a builder.

And that you remembered can I think you still doesn't run time for working.

Yes the rugs and Mary times I was active in when he became a project manager.

And he knew just what to do was not there was a builder rather than work goals.

I made were just a series of supplies that. When

we came

to breaking up with the army had been there. They had

divided. The rooms as I said you both the water drawer and Jimmy days you would

have the big room to have been the bonded by the muzzle and

cubicles burble pupil of the rest

of her me. Sure to lose. Any

time you contacted him and come to work. He was there. That's right. He said

Tom and help us with this building.

And he got to work right away.

He said Is there any was paper in Rochester. Rajan but I

think of Roger and Democrats. Because kids and.

There was advertised. And he advertised. These partitions. In that

newspaper as rather than the bump in the newspaper. Got

no response from the Buffalo. But the Rochester. There was

a company outside of Rogers in her charm called Scott still

has not spoken to a had a need for those

part and then they brought those partition.

Came and picked them

up

as dissembled them right here to do is open the door show her

eggs certainly and they gave us a check

for not. The plausible

it was used for tables. And the money we got from those

protections brought us. Our table where our SO

WERE everything we needed to present that I might have had an eighty's

or dinners you know he said there in

the. Well that was probably that was from the money that we got from those

positions. Which became the tables that came from the plywood.

So this is. This is still before you've opened it. During one thousand nine hundred ninety eight.

Yeah it was very worldly for we know but we couldn't have it to get the chair.

We purchased it had to be set in that the being part of my repurchased

five wonder.

Part of our wooden chairs.

So that we're going to have something to set up after that there was another miracle and we've got

the comfortable chairs and we ought to start thinking that they were red red

velvet chair. I was the year I was a rover

apartments. And I have given my message. By the way at the

ready to pull more any place where we could. We

need to buy shares for our oratory

and that any of you know a girl came up to me at that were a parson my own career

and somebody My father ran. Whoever it

was. The Annex owns

the earlier

theater in Buffalo. And he has stored.

Chairs from the earth on

the backstage of a

chaise show a similar IN THE

NEWS profile.

Right to I went to their son would you let him

see them I rest or go to them and there were in the darkened

area. Backstage. Of the

chaise baby. The chaise they

think Nick Cave from the earth they were theater which was across from

the hotels that were done or avenue. That's where those germs came. OK.

I went backstage. I say Can I have a little bit more

long term the like the cover of those chairs.

Words not color of the curtain. In our

own without my parents. In the bath read read write

I was kind of dump. And it got changed. Invention. You know over the course of time we put

them on the bottom of the

many laps how we bout don't scare.

That was a few years later. A few years later we got rid of those

chairs and put them

make progress with chair so that we can

put

back the we got our meals in there WERE drink up the chairs.

It's when did you hold your first event in a moment his life and how

far as I can remember there was another rally was around me. Absolutely.

After we had their parents then we did have a rally but it was after this thing.

We were. Thank

you for remembering how long that

was six when the state six leaked like that and what Kelly.

You asked can you call Tennyson to move up and he said I will increase.

It came stayed with us for three years and still

it would be less likely stay with me for three

years ago as your life is really running.

Stand ready to hit you with a big adventure into that.

OK. But months ago.

After name but my torso.

Came for three years.

And it's really sad a lot.

Tell me when you started

me that. So

tell me about going to tears. Brother members and everybody else got screwdrivers

and screws those

chairs and we were on our

way and we had seats six hundred down there and four hundred. Up in

about five

thousand one thousand. Here's a question. It may seem obvious but I'd like to ask it. Right.

I did you want in the Eagle slides and make this move there for

the

same reason to get young people and something that they become tips and we

were stuck with a

policy that churches could use that building without a

cost to them under

free will operate and then

is the problem. My major

thrust or all my Christian experience is to operate

by faith.

Trust George we were was

my was my mentor and lead the

graveyard humor from England will. A savage call those orphanages and then good.

And he didn't go by faith. He says is just as easy to trust God for ten cents.

As it is for ten

but it takes the SO process.

Money. OK. So one of the main reasons

why why why couldn't you just keep having meetings in these our churches.

Why because we have for more than the churches because all so number

is placed was the main reason. As if added more young people then you could contain this march

or just that church because death tolls.

Not only June but part of the power of

the Russian our job is to give young

people the chance

to listen to arch the usage.

Were large the ability of these little tiny churches number where

did you move. None of these women pools and large the possibility

of their using. I work building as if it were part of their

own so. Yes. So the kind of services that the

center building could provide for the supporting conversations like a

Saturday conference or their own defense during the

week or. I have. I went to human vision.

I envisioned are using for a lot of

purposes. But I'm not chasing

close to coming as it's when the congregation come have a fun time together. Sure.

They had a winter

picnic. If we less it

became a member of the order of every church in the world because

of Sunday school summer

pick right. But was this is

that situation that sales of has resulted most churches. Such a school

pick in the summer. When I worked a day I'm assuming a school back there. This is a

something that was has been around product. But there are over

over and it was easy to say no because of the weather conditions that there are.

But we're going after them by yourself. To run Sunday school summer picnic.

Now you're going to come anytime we want to terms which they use

the center of

this line use a center by reservation. Only way you will

get not come into our center drop in to do what you under. It was

by reservation. By church groups with the approval of the pastor

and could come would use our building existence at is with that building Baroda that Mocha church.

So that

becomes when they come brother state anything. Even if they wanted to travel that follows their

own dinner or so one thing. They didn't have established their staff and he goes

up as if it were that or asked a question

that may seem obvious there with me.

Why would search is need that why did you feel the churches need to cause

I had none of their own in the winter. And we were to have to go to secular things.

Now they go to one. OK but created a lack of fear just like the church.

OK. But when I was asking was from a more philosophical sir

theological standpoint. Why was it significant to you

that people are church people socialize with each

other rather why why would your shoulder when Richard. I

just read the same reason

that young people need to socialize with

the like they have understood it is so that experience by their degree so

actually

Various the Christian experience.

Superceded.

The local no level racial preferences.

OK. Who have the nomination or purposes. Preferences.

Move that one say go or say remove the have other distinct. Done

to Rhoda's I'm an Asian who operate as a as

a push of all sub. We have bishops and. But no the Baptist

don't want the press with. Other elders. Go to sleep

but the great loyalty is to the the fact

that they are

question that fabric a

narrow are people like minded. In other congregations and they

may even have known were there.

I guess let me rephrase the question what I'm asking

is did you believe that having getting the center building was

going to allow individuals under geisha and. And then multiple

congregations together. To have this. The Christian experience in a context.

That was not sacred. Earth and this was not yet eeriest and not to have

been exactly. We had a. And then Usenet factor.

Possible use human or entertainment sports.

So for possibility to the whole program of all courteous.

I think the press and I don't like to play devil's advocate.

Sitting back and I'm sixty five years old when

you're in one hundred fifty eight. And I say

to

old old Protestant some kind and I say. This

is crazy why in the world do we need all of these we have the

gospel why do we

need this show business in this big deal in this wild fun. This is

a distraction. I'm not going to support this this is the this is raw.

What it really are those voices or. Again the raw you're lucky or yours and I hear the

end of that

we begin a work is lunch that there were alternatives

and expenditures of their own church program. Most of

the FORGET THAT them use them and we're just coming

in like this shows the other.

And the roller skating on Love that was new and didn't

go to the movies. And they didn't go to that.

Dances they go vibe bill they didn't go to the movie all they found good dancing.

By entertainment. So the Chris and non-controversial fashion apparently

didn't attract attention saying how dare your twenty trying to lead us down a road to now.

Right back. No I will in the show business was out

secular. It was light circuit everybody played capture. They were move on Jellicoe they

got a baseball the broke guy out your the little cherry kill all that wouldn't think. I

was so well this. Richard Rohr schedule was such a less

they went to a place where the dads lose it was so bad the One might have been a

few extra room. Of people who felt that was bad

but those this was greeted with as excitement. Was it a kind of

a liberation. Yes.

Absolutely. And I think this lesson learned from I think it was

instigated so they'll make other people hand as well new cameras. When you say to anyone you come in years.

It's just like because

you're a little wanted to do a grand I didn't have time and there's nothing wrong with.

No you're sure. Show you how protected by. I was with the church

to use a

stoning on the same night that your church I just brought Mickey

wealthier Thursday. When this is normal we prepare you for not use this

building

unless you have are not trying to take the place of church. I'm not a this is a new church.

It's called bottomland I we're not suggesting a theological or a practical please.

It's a recreational

center. And we look for a clinician evangelistic center. And he

would not let charities use that has found a place.

They do now. When that happened about it. They happened

to me Well what she's referring to is we didn't read the building up

to occurred so they could use it for a service I was against the just and

were both regulars. For the verb reason

we're talking about because I muck one. We're going to be another trip.

But I don't know whether it was for financial reasons or what sake it was for

the metro with. When they LOST MY GOD. Yes.

It didn't occur to the board of directors.

Kill several years

later what

the the the. The potential of supplies that Bud Selig

has for Palin and really line up the book at length.

Interesting when I leave my church now. And never attended a him walking through the train or walking

on the Get Out The cell phone and call my grandmother Lenhart and not before

at about ten thirty when oral was a shot in her husband was a shut in and

now Carl

Levin say hey how you she's a lie to you and she has been quiet be quiet grandson.

Turns out it was. It was either your show or Good news it noon. Oftentimes you say

his pretty neat he did that to your grandpa.

I appreciate them.

But if it's the power of it is Amazing

Grace was made twenty five to fifteen hours a year

support for shut ins church where are we so

appreciate your job in the program. And they were supporters of.

There's many letters from chatted to our lad a stack of loved him

and in the pilot you know it

was bring everything to make because I have to have this on one place. And then

have to use this minute. Or will you remember it as for

the rookie collecting for a while here I all up there by the way the following.

Axiom that OK. Out the. Well. The

question

now was

where. Now you're one hundred fifty A. I

was used. When was your first.

Or your first was a rally. Your first meeting.

He had this great collective effort. On the part of the local congregations

to

help transform the center from

a. Transitional even large army. Housing to

a rough start to its

OK.

How did this. How did this help your ministry that it reached the goal of

the good vision expanded.

My goal and went there to the center. Was to be a

supplement mission.

But for the help of the churches in the

area and to be used as

an inventor the stick tool bind them.

So rich people that they ordinarily couldn't was normal services in

their

own church reach them. So they can buy a friend to friend who is not a

person to

a may not come to church but come to realize gate or describing at

at Buffalo Christian

Center. There were other things the church in general not.

Aside from the Youth Work was the

new it has elevated it from simply of us work.

Now to the

with the first couple of years we were in there.

We were no those news time.

Center. And we changed the

name to the buffalo Christian

sever price guide and then if you are the starter safety

of Joyce Gardner and her sister provided money for

a side of the corner a proper

street and hang son like this.

That said use time.

And that was on there for several years until we became the.

Incorporated again. The buffalo. Christians

are. And do you remember what year that

was. I'm sorry. Please maybe mid sixty's.

How many like two three three three years after you're going to know or five years.

Know it was going that way I was in my little late sixties nervous

I'm hungry times. And then. In any given month. By the way

I think we've been incorporated. Well sixty

eight. I was above rogue nations and. OK. Hug

many churches are how many visits with you guys from the local congregation.

Using the Center for their own purposes. How many visits a month would you ask.

Over until that's put our next major know just how many bookings

would you have made by three at night. Three in the right. Five days.

Oh that's a lot.

OK. Five days a

week. Any given month. Lavish but so

was when I was asked I guess not not just that I'm sick and one day as well as many

as three. And likely one church would say where we like the roller. OK.

Well to horror. They

would they would reserve a room or a couple room yet thing. Or and some was very much a role in

the area and area. I

really wanted a gymnasium though you were going to use the pool.

And if they did that of my arrangement person could say yes. The

bully Mainzer or the Gulf is free. And the

swimming pools free.

And then. Here's a question I wanted to throw out there.

I know this may be hard to get to estimate.

But of the congregation to send kids have the children they came to use

the came in teenagers as well as the congregations.

Would you describe the class status as

the primary working class working class and lower middle. Working class

and middle upper middle and wealthy. Is that what kind of a mix which is

setting middle class predominantly middle class.

It would be like any other as it were but I was there too when into would

be like it be like an ordinary a character.

Were we talking primarily

suburban mo.

Bangalow person church

you know black churches huge can use a

bookstore. C.N.N. known that kind of a comic to see

that that fact.

Came to the center not the little green is does it. No wonder

there was a degree in which I thought black people in my bubbles done.

Yes. It was all of our

range. But it was predominately middle class but

a fairly broad spectrum. You know what do you mean by upper class wealthy.

Possessing more than five hundred thousand dollars in total assets and

income mission. We're trying to get a sense here of what

the demographics are who came.

So to question with pride in the

last. I'm glad to see because I think the I think population

wise in America of the moment in the class of the middle class and.

We've talked a little bit too about these ethnic groups. Polls Italians.

African-American

and they did not come assumptions. OK.

It was pretty. So. So did you were most of your supporting churches in

the suburban Anglo. Nope they were always around. But they were from

the downtown area always street

through and you're kind of them

that I'm going to have resulted

to listen to me on the radio one. Come to the center

of them. So it was and I had.

I had the impression in typically a group. A and an institution like this

and the withdraw from these strong shift from the down

or to the suburbs or our wealth and all the great.

Growth was a huge demographic shift between one hundred forty five one hundred sixty. And they said you would

be that the bulk of your population would be on that suburban periphery.

And I think they were. But there's but there was matter because of the rating of

the saloon. And there were

some strong troopers that were

men.

A lot of Canadian and turn to come from back pain in

the other places like that

someone.

Well another trip. Number would come from

Niagara coffee break it down. How did the actor Tony

is northeast. Is not their wells were pretty much

in this wrong court the court Snyder County new phase

in. I remember my very talking about going to the

center of your years and years before. His brother and.

OK. That's OK.

How

did I brought a question is how did the building. Change.

Alter your minister's ministry. It expended a period. Numerically.

It just expanded is pretty much the same. Like how I was telling what was it like then to have this

Saturday that rallies in that setting in a large theater your

own place right now with the kids get with the still seven thirty tonight.

Now with this seven seven so those things up there early about five

hundred people. I'm sorry. So it is eight thirty now we have would be over by thirty.

We never went to our kids wouldn't sense that. Did anyone did. Kids tend

to come on time. And then play afterwards and the

center goes away. Some of the earth plays others to

the rally and then stay for an hour. We close the place of

level. But it has spread of late.

OK. And was the entire facility pretty much open

and Saturdays. And who and who is who would

occupy and manned different stations. I hadn't actually I

had a man.

I had a step by this time.

Because I have two extra people who are in charge of programming.

Of being hosts of the most of that.

Gene. Eugene Barrett and R.C. how. And

there. They basically was when if you're open the

bookstore. Early. Pretty

soon after you hit the. Well when the women who

own the store that moved to the center.

They were elderly

women and they saw it as a

possibility of continue in their ministry.

And they came for a couple of years and right in the bookstore. Those two they

were owned. What was called the store. And she used bookstore.

And all our bookstore at the center was called that for a couple of years until it

is died. And then we named the sender bookstore. So there was a

preexisting independent bookstore in Buffalo down here in

St Ann you invited them to

house their bookstore in the. I offered to perk.

We didn't they wanted to give it to it's a cave but to us or.

You have that. That locate that spot in the first floor that he created then. That's right

generally engaged and then they brought their inventory in there. And we were in business. As

a

bookstore and you know. Was my time. Much Langtry than it is now.

But it was when I look like regicide. The physical act.

The story.

Eventually we as the retired manager of the

largest a park with stores of Buffalo and son telling companies. He came

to my book store manager. After my secretaries.

Was alleviated got the job came as manager did a spectacular

Natalee and listened to the phone book store and that big my saying. And what was

the room where was it.

They originally booked store it smaller. Now than it used to be getting to know one of the double doors are going in

there not. That was all of it still was

well there was no follow way to the back. That was all a

bookstore and player into the.

Well that time it was alive or dead. I think I case that I remember

this that by the was a bit remain that way for the one he's Because I remember being you have.

So yeah I remember being the whole thing always I was right. That's right. OK. And this

is it true this was the largest bookstore between Chicago and now city.

No you can't claim that

because the bookstore crazies and

the the

religious books are. I don't know