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- speakerWe're
- speakerone of the moving forces in General Rob Ketchum. He was
- speakerone of the moving forces in the General Association of
- speakerRegular Baptists. He was an annual speaker at Pine Brook. It would
- speakernot be Pine Brook without having Dr Robert Ketchum at least once.
- speakerAnd then we were
- speakerfriends with his niece. His
- speakerniece. His nephew. His nephew. It was Ketchum's nephew
- speakerhere with the outstanding student at the King's College later.
- speakerWas the principal Bible. Principal basketball
- speakerplayer for the early King's College teams.
- speakerHuge. a hugely talented
- speakerbasketball player.
- speakerWe called him in Japan once to get him to come and speak.
- speakerAnd, so what was he doing?
- speakerHe died of a heart attack at forty years of age..
- speakerAnd his wife was a Bob Ketchum kid? No, no. This fellow
- speakerhis D. Deacon, I guess it is. His nephew. He
- speakerwas Bob Ketchum's, the nephew. And there's a huge connection between
- speakerthe Ketchum and King's College.
- speakerone Which is King's College? King's College
- speakerwas founded by Percy Crawford.
- speakerProbably his strongest legacy.
- speakert's located presently in Empire State Building but was at
- speakerBriarcliff Manor, New York was a school that probably
- speakerhad nine hundred students
- speakerand now is located in the Empire State Building.
- speakerKing's College. The Kings College, because there are other King's Colleges. This
- speakeris the King's College. Probably one of four
- speakermajor evangelical, non-denominational
- speakercolleges. Wheaton College, King's College, Houghton College,
- speakerone on the west coast--Westmont College and the one we
- speakercan never think of. Eastern is Baptist.
- speakerNo, no, no. Boston. In Boston. Gordon College.
- speakerThose of the half a dozen colleges that are associated
- speakerwith non-denominational
- speakergroup. OK. Anthony Zioli. Anthony Zioli
- speakerwas a converted mobster from Philadelphia.
- speakerAnd he would be the Pinebrook circuit?He was invited to
- speakerspeak not
- speakeronly to Pinebrook. He was well known in the entire Pennsylvania area.
- speakerThat would be where he was most known. And, he
- speakerwas. He was AKA "the walking
- speakerBible," because when he was converted.
- speakerAs a result of being converted, when he got in jail, somebody gave him a
- speakerBible and he just devoured it. Gave time to read it
- speakerten hours during the daytime and the nighttime, he would go to a
- speakerplace where light came through strongly and he would
- speakerhe memorized.
- speakermuch of the New
- speakerTestament. and that family side of this. He is the one that got Grandpa
- speakerto the doctor that really
- speakergot him well when Grandpa was deathly sick and
- speakerAnd the Zioli family? His
- speakerson his. I want to clarify his. His family helped you
- speakerfind the best doctor? That's right.
- speakerThat's right. At the time of my nineteen forty six of
- speakerthem after they had told him he would not
- speakerlive in Sydney. Who are good transferred him and therefore had.
- speakerSent me to go today. And most anthem
- speakeris your only son William will ignore those buildings in
- speakeryour tongue get. Well spoke film
- speakerIncorporated which
- speakerproduced. Some of the fine films other than the ability. Not
- speakerthe Billy Graham fella but a full job or a cold. Gus was well.
- speakerAnd later. They were Story films. And I'm very used to
- speakerwhen you listen to and was a zealot.
- speakerWas a very very charismatic
- speakerperson. And he was a. He was a confidant he
- speakerbecame a chaplain. To present for
- speakerwork. Because Gospel Bill's oke his stuff so people were
- speakerlocated outside of Detroit Michigan.
- speakerFor his abilities and really he only became a chaplain.
- speakerto President Ford. What were Anthony Ezioli's
- speakerpresentations like? very compatible. And what did he look like? You
- speakerknow I'm going to tell you a lobster. Who knows what it looks like
- speakerGodfather and. It was fiery. And I mean never being in
- speakera service in Pennsylvania. And that and a
- speakerman sent down the aisle to interrupt his
- speakerspeaking about I was a beer. Came walking along.
- speakerI wish I could bring that come can. I mean he came up with this guy with the beard.
- speakerThe Prophet. And I have a message for new right.
- speakerInterrupting the entire
- speakerSir Anthony had to do was so
- speakercontrolled the profit incentive. And this is
- speakermy service and you sit down.
- speakerAnd, that was it? That was it. They escorted him out.
- speakerUm.
- speakerSo this must have been quite a thing? Montrose
- speakerMontrose Bible College. Right, right. Which was a huge Bible conference.
- speakerAnd, Anthony. The amazing thing about him was that he would just reel off scripture.
- speakerJust like you couldn't
- speakerbelieve. And, was gentle a person. Off the
- speakerstage. And, did he carry a gun? The whole point is this is a
- speakerreal curiosity piece too. That's what I'm getting at here is that
- speakeris not just a nice farm boy like Billy Graham who becomes a
- speakerpreacher, That's right. This
- speakeris just it's like going to the circus. You want to take a look at
- speakerthis guy who is a mobster and now is a evangelist
- speakerExactly. and
- speakereven then make up and he was
- speakershort. Italian. Sort of heavy, not fat.
- speakerBut, and had a tall
- speakerbeautiful wife, who was a walking, talking
- speakercliche. Yeah. And, his wife was, used to have. He liked spaghetti and meatballs.
- speakerI mean there was no they were peddling
- speakercouple are made a lot of. Because conversion the his way.
- speakerDid it have or whether she
- speakerhad the resources. But I do know that it's.
- speakerLess than there was a very special couple.
- speakerAnd then they come to the center
- speakerless. You might think probably during the fifty's.
- speakerI can manage that. Well there's that's how I got it from where
- speakerthe idea of Alan.
- speakerLabor was plasterer great church and when I was
- speakerabout the church up when he was pastor ups were influential pastor when we had
- speakera mentor Gus annually. Fairly well.
- speakerWell
- speakerapparently well. Why don't we run that rugged musical group that we knew very
- speakerwell called the older brothers. Rather the Allman Brothers. That.
- speakerWithout them.
- speakerIt was a it was the other two friends
- speakerand it was the other just that they said that the organ.
- speakerNo honey that's not what I'm talking about Chuck
- speakerelement. And chuck them when was is just didn't notice your talent.
- speakerThat this. All right Dave Allen. Again. He's anything injuries was that long ago
- speakerjust is that they prefer a prominent Detroit Michigan past.
- speakerNorman
- speakerpolit Norm Coleman was somehow are associated
- speakerwith the
- speakerstrip. It was a board member I believe it is true.
- speakerI don't remember him. Well you would know that
- speakerin and. We said this Jimmy Johnson we've talked about have
- speakerwe didn't remember. Clyde
- speakerTaylor the hotel where as I told you was any second is in the Conservative
- speakerBaptist Foreign Missions society. OK less.
- speakerBlack the slack was a good
- speakerfriend. A musical person.
- speakerWho wrote to the King's College. And I'm not believing the
- speakertwelfth
- speakerthere and. So any more than that.
- speakerHe was later resigned from King's College and had a
- speakerdisagreement with Dr Crawford.
- speakerHe
- speakeralso was along with Paul Monna in
- speakerPhiladelphia around the North Philadelphia. Use for how many of our own was a.
- speakerAnother use. Leader by the name or for
- speakermother and her language to enter the.
- speakerSixty's. But there were. You're. Because we're living
- speakerin filling
- speakerup. And that was a nice place for listening. When you know there's right were killed.
- speakerWe were not in some way.
- speakerHis wife were killed a block from where home. WHO WHO WHO IS THIS IS SO our poll.
- speakerMurder of our own was less
- speakerwas so unusual lady in Cheltenham
- speakerin the Philadelphia
- speakerarea and palm oil and his wife are killing us
- speakertell the Irish little to rock the level of
- speakerright. And the hope of more rules for Earth
- speakerand for when they work.
- speakerMiss. Mrs
- speakerRooth style of groups. Wasn't it was
- speakera missionary to
- speakerPeru Africa. After open
- speakerAfrica and the help of charming person. Educated.
- speakerReal religion men are really were aware area still some of the
- speakervery social level very socially
- speakerwhat prayer as he was sent to the get set of me.
- speakerDoing everything right. He was a mission a in Africa I heard her in home when I was
- speakerin his office where I mean well I would say she really got. She liked. Shutting
- speakerdown and sober were all of us or he told you not to Africa. Took
- speakerthem to go live there in to the Mission Station near the remote. Mission
- speakerStation and let them plan. Political
- speakerperson would come to their place in Africa. And
- speakerthen for dinner with say China.
- speakerShe was totally regal when she stood that she would she would always
- speakerwear flowers. And she would stand out like that
- speakerand
- speakerin lots of red tries and then we not only have we got to know our case you can
- speakerdefine the. We had
- speakerread. And she broke she
- speakercharmed everybody to see she almost became a
- speakercelebrity. Just by force of personality preferably at the exactly right and she
- speakerbecame a missionary. And that's a
- speakergoal. That's But the best way to describe or Sharon marry her. Moment.
- speakerLook at a family over that she said Well I think what's wrong if you have a goal but then she has a single woman
- speakerwho's in the shattering black eye and coming back.
- speakerOh I think she could have been paid in math
- speakerand play when we got can or she was over her late fifty's
- speakersixty's. She was located in most fields or
- speakerfive times we were just there. A month ago.
- speakerOK. Kerry
- speakerMartin. And I
- speakerthink who is in that
- speakerjoyous and Victor baby.
- speakerBut Debra Lee was equally a mugger was called.
- speakerHe was a director
- speakeror. President or whatever. The
- speakertalk at Testament. Link which is
- speakera bible distributor
- speakerin the New Testament. A struggling
- speakerorganization. And he really was a very huge
- speakerspeaks of tech a kind. He would describe his style.
- speakerThank you speak or do it
- speakerjust didn't limit.
- speakerAs far to the scribe the style. Simply
- speakermove young people could talk. It would choose something to talk one
- speakeron one and also the voice of a large Weekly. Basically he
- speakerwas. Just a lover
- speakerpreacher from one of the added lately. And you know what it
- speakerwas totally sold out to him that Jordan because he's
- speakera was part of the newly established organization called the barber
- speakerTestament which group.
- speakerSo when we say. New pidgeon knew how to talk to kids get up and say.
- speakerOf that you feels. Peer pressures cool and I have an outlet your friends
- speakerL.-O. she's known this for seeing her see that kind fail to be something like
- speakerthat because the drugs. And we say that really. Well they
- speakerwould choose a story like. The
- speakerprobable son and they would preach off of the product also very use where
- speakerthe use mind
- speakerwas here to this or. Well they wouldn't come close to for his mind set upon
- speakera change in a little bit rebellious or I
- speakerfeel this identity. Let's just a
- speakervery clear very clear.
- speakerSimplistic explanation of the Bible.
- speakerOK. Well over here maybe we can talk about this right. When we talk about.
- speakerAbout nineteen about the post-war era up until the early sixty's. What was your impression.
- speakerDuring he hears the work leading up to buying a center building and then. There she was sort
- speakerof after. Before we get into that or
- speakerprotest. What was your impression that the typical teenager was like What was the
- speakeraudience you were trying to
- speakerreach really that Clinton and to me.
- speakerThey knew that we're interested but that where we started.
- speakerThey were pushed endurance. Certain.
- speakerUsing that we developed was.
- speakerThey needed to slowly about as before we gave them a sense of
- speakerliberation that there may have adjust their church for All right then grown up.
- speakerSeparate from the rest and. Or emphasis instead of the new and.
- speakerWe say you were dealing you were you were dealing with non-Christian kids well you were dealing
- speakerwith church you can't decipher right kind
- speakerof grammar different they all had
- speakerfriends from school. It might not be saying that
- speakerwhole
- speakerany. As a fan or move with those kids if
- speakerthey knew in school. Would not be positively affected by
- speakerthe stereotype. Church service.
- speakerAnd so they would bring them to our place or dry Rover parties or something else like
- speakerbut rather their kids. Felt liberated. We. A
- speakerstopwatch and knew. You've culture. Apart from the cool little
- speakercouture eventually some for kids to be able to when they're not in the turret. Serious.
- speakerTo rename it. I think treats his current
- speakerdeal. So the question we step
- speakerback from a little bit that is that the feeling among at least among other people and
- speakeralong
- speakerup among a lot of Christians at the time was
- speakerthat they were I separate culture to be they were separate from. Not
- speakeronly each other independent churches. But they were separate from the secular culture.
- speakerAnd
- speakerthere were other organizations are lower than ours compared you
- speakerknow. To which
- speakerI know I've passed
- speakerthat area
- speakerother bank yours them over to such groups of Teen Challenge. And
- speakerthe other who dealt with street kids but
- speakerthe dumb of those kids in my mind was not
- speakeras major as well with one might
- speakerthink that
- speakerwas OK. But now with him. There is like that and
- speakerthey have that person at the center drug.
- speakerReally has taken a grip with
- speakerpeople into it but one of the huge images of the nine
- speakerhundred fifty S. among young people who are not believe in just the general teen idols.
- speakerStarts with Marlon Brando in the early fifty's. And then is that these you've got James Dean. The up there
- speakermovie star and then by the late fifty's. You've got Elvis Presley.
- speakerBut you're not really. You were doing kids who were who were injured
- speakerchurch world that was archly still suffer from this.
- speakerAnd we were providing a place of the ledger was a min fellowship for
- speakerthe church groups. And then through that. Reaching out strike by just raising
- speakerthese so that
- speakercertain and shelling them and giving them a place to bring their friends
- speakerto introduce them to the looking likes wasn't that checked.
- speakerSo good a duel. That is overarching the churches and then another
- speakeraudience
- speakerwho wanted her taken. You know we think of youth post
- speakerwhere you culture you do think of it as a lot of the things of the buffalo Christian Center at roller
- speakerskating rink and ice ice creams and drive ins in just part
- speakerof the culture. Right. OK.
- speakerMy hair old vocal
- speakerthe.
- speakerElmo character. As well as well
- speakera broker to misled our world.
- speakerHerald the EK And then sometimes these brochures have had
- speakermisspelled names.
- speakerThis is exactly as if
- speakerthey have to pass that because I think it is a misspelling OK. The
- speakerAnglo rally at the Buffalo Christian
- speakerCenter. Alert to a.
- speakerI don't go into a rally where our military families go free something that just as
- speakerwe were in the Senate.
- speakerWe never had anything that we called the annual rally. OK.
- speakerGeorge.
- speakerLOFFLER weapon or charge whatever.
- speakerI forgot. Window I could
- speakernever eat up until we talked about H.C.G. opinion can you
- speakerEVER is the Prez is that have
- speakerthe capital happen I'll get a car where we spent a month. OK.
- speakerHarry trover your orders. Gus sorry against
- speakersomeone who opens the way for it go and put our to take the
- speakerplace for mission for couples. We've talked about
- speakerthat every graph every graph work. Was President of
- speakerthe buffalo Bible school. Of all Bibles
- speakerschool. Very active in. Buffalo.
- speakerOrg or the nomination or
- speakerpairs of president of the buffalo.
- speakerBible school. Not conference but school. OK.
- speakerJEAN. Jordan.
- speakerJordan was a robbery. Program if it loses
- speakerhim to H C J B. He was a
- speakermissionary or was like the
- speakerremote island. If you had the power
- speakergrid who directed the Tito. Ecuador. Sensibly
- speakerat one time. It's up to any was probably
- speakerthe magician in charge he was in musician in
- speakercharge and his sister was an opera singer.
- speakerAnd he had
- speakera summer. He had a hair lamp which every time I
- speakerthink for him for a week at a time. Who is Pentasa think. And he would get asked to speak.
- speakerAnd he would have this Trump speaking. And his face with
- speakerplain as he started telling people. They were
- speakerbreathless African stack
- speakerand moving but
- speakerremember that eight per cent got overcome.
- speakerNow this thing sounds familiar. So they're right. Bob
- speakerFinley no the film that we have not discussed in
- speakerfour bucks was a missionary statement.
- speakerWe're going to watch your mission but I forgot the mission when the limit the mission
- speakerbus doesn't fly with international mission.
- speakerOK. And a diplomat between potential supporters
- speakerin missions on the mission
- speakerfield. And mission. Organization.
- speakerThe name of which I recall you were going to Google and. He came
- speakerto this
- speakercenter. If you took that was or was can see
- speakeras Lake something he had some travelers medically
- speakerslight charismatic which. During
- speakermy will was a great going drawn between.
- speakerCars white churches and regular churches there was a more of a separation.
- speakerDuring those forty's and fifty's less than a smell you
- speakercan see ass
- speakerleg. And so he
- speakerknew he had something to do
- speakerwas.
- speakerIs it the lady that Cedric
- speakerSears Hedrick still hurts when she was bigger at
- speakerthe center center tears anything notable just of
- speakerspeaker. He was very active in
- speakerthe Conservative Baptist
- speakermovement. Can you tell me a little bit more about Maria auditorium.
- speakerMorrow and charges where the hockey game
- speakerplay where first short term.
- speakerBuffalo Braves which
- speakerwere only for a couple of years earlier when they played in the Moral Majority.
- speakerAnd we were. That was the main. There was the
- speakerMay or Acharya as well there was
- speakera smaller armature in that same building. And we
- speakerheld several of our rallies in that memorial
- speakera trailer
- speakerfor years and rallies would be how many people and what purpose.
- speakerOne thing is that they can take and you hear it. And we think can get there
- speakerin places land. And we leave
- speakerreally not. They hadn't been there that long. And, Grandpa said we've got to have our own
- speakerbuilding.
- speakerAnd, that would have been in nineteen fifty-
- speakereight. Because I remember one occasion being a mum
- speakeror or some other one girl gave me a half a dollar.
- speakerAnd we need in six hundred fifty dollars and fifty cents to tell her.
- speakerWe got to six hundred fifty children. To the
- speakerdollar when we are offering and I said worse of that he said that in
- speakermy pocket she had given that you're a scrub and are doing
- speakerso because this name may be repeating.
- speakerDon. York doubler was a worker for a couple of years.
- speakerUnless
- speakerwe can sack. And I speculate
- speakerreally high rate. Done to you or at the suggestion of my good from great
- speakertrips. And he was in Houston worker in Richmond Virginia. And came to meet him
- speakerfrom the air and stayed with me for about two years. And I was in charge
- speakerof News Bible.
- speakerThat little clubs.
- speakerA school that was his that it was is in so he was musical banking fifty's.
- speakerThe know. Well he was musical to be sure we get.
- speakerI fly. Five Barack own boys.
- speakerThis is probably usual anyway. Right. Reverend Edwin.
- speakerAnd property. Kronberg was ugly original
- speakerinviting us for Christ the door then invited me to
- speakerbecome the new director of the. Oh, this is not Percy Crawford.
- speakersnored had no right. He was a Presbyterian minister. He was minister of
- speakerthe Cleveland Drive Presbyterian Church in
- speakerBuffalo and. Gerald H. Jordan.
- speakerGerald Jordan was one of my original board members. The oldest member I had. And he
- speakerwas a member of the cousin only a part Baptist
- speakerChurch in that's why
- speakerwe're in for a brief period of time because daughter.
- speakerIn morale. Was my
- speakersecretary. This name of
- speakerbelieve we've covered already.
- speakerRobert's moon. Robert a ruthless. Also I let group of people.
- speakerNot invited me to become the director and when he was a member of the Riverside
- speakerBaptist
- speakerChurch. I just thinking of this graphic was in such weather.
- speakerRobert probably off in Kenya. Rather cool place to
- speakergo back. This is probably your hope for John
- speakerF. Moulton. That's right he was my treasure or have a member of
- speakerthe we have Presbyterian Church was converted. Under
- speakerJohn Rice which we spoke of all there
- speakerwas and related. What was his occupation.
- speakerHe was he was.
- speakerHe took care of all of the dispensing of the trucks in the bill to McCarthy
- speakerand Rogers that industrial supply company.
- speakerOK. And then recent times to say that and to make a problem. OK.
- speakerDr John. Schaeffer a leg was with a half dollar
- speakerjust. And teacher. Of a major importance of
- speakerthe Deaconess Hospital and was rather sure go by board for twenty one years and
- speakerfriend probably the closest friend. In the
- speakerentire trial was involved.
- speakerAnd they let Arias
- speakerkill. When did they. I remember him. I use I jog
- speakerwith two years and within the
- speakerlast year my didn't want to be a close thing. When he was banned.
- speakerHe couldn't close an app. In a stroke. And your mother.
- speakerJust a year before you made it. College him and passed on
- speakerthat meant. That retirement nest
- speakerbut he isn't World War two
- speakerright left. This is America's all out of my army stuff that he gave to
- speakerhim he was a mother coke or he knows why we're
- speakerwe're in Germany. And that's really his will give up their home and
- speakerthat's the reason why really this demo we were given the whole. We were allowed to
- speakerbuy a home
- speakerfor her father Bill one of five won't drive and Snyder. When asked her father built
- speakerthat house for her home. They didn't find here
- speakerhe comes and said Do you want my house tend to be a floor I wish to
- speakercome
- speakerback we can i did we would move.
- speakerAnd she said you can just give you a good deal. No. Do you want
- speakerto live in my house while I'm gone to Germany. OK Well we're gone and then eventually when they
- speakercame
- speakerback. Their father sent. You can have the homestead.
- speakerI'm going to build your mother another house.
- speakernews and services said it was offered to buy
- speakerthe service center bus as assumed the mortgage us all to
- speakerdo it then as soon as I'm sorry mortgage.
- speakerI brought a new cause of that for the sundering move to as a
- speakerparson
- speakerthe and then we've gotten
- speakerprobably. From the
- speakercenter. I mean it's when you drive by. At the same price for
- speakermusic
- speakerstyles awfully like my parents.
- speakerSo very little that I can now.
- speakerLiterally will
- speakershare this was a source of agitation. Among my
- speakerfriends with the board of directors and news talking because the. My
- speakerfriends thought that they should
- speakerhave totally with an upset. But
- speakerHouse. But the birds felt their salary this quite up. Yes
- speakerI
- speakerknow of no retirement. Not retired. And so
- speakermy friends. Saw that they should have just given us the house. But no
- speakerreal abort. So it
- speakerwas the our responsibility
- speakerto have returned to the organization the twenty six thousand dollars
- speakerand so Joan in a pinch money since thousand dollars and assume
- speakerit's and but then you could probably have a level two hundred thousand one hundred sixty
- speakerwith her in shelling
- speakerto Berkshire it was a board member for a member of your was a member of the
- speakerrest of them here. And what was his profession. I forgot. Point.
- speakerHe was not a very spectacular person but a very clever cadence or
- speakerwhatever but mostly as people
- speakerwere business. Rights Management.
- speakerCharles was he was a lawyer with my Royer That's right your lawyer. That's right.
- speakerAnd we only program though that I had any serious disagreement
- speakerwith which was resolved very amicably and we remain
- speakerfriends at the company had a terrible.
- speakerWe showed that we've shown her odors wife always my secretary. The
- speakerjob in charge it was a sex act after we
- speakerleft the fool or. Right about that time.
- speakerIn the nineteen and he's well
- speakerhe's a part of Britain. Britain is more than my dearest
- speakerfriends to this day. He was faster of the Christian mission were I a church and
- speakerGovernor or which was a little Twining Barber
- speakerchurch. And we went from one service to destruction. And the whole
- speakerfamily was converted and eventually left church has become of member church.
- speakerVery active it was a buffalo over
- speakerthe years and then when. When was this
- speakerevent. Fifty sixty seven and say
- speakerthat we didn't.
- speakerIn that house. When you went back maybe staying in the doing and saying and doing grand to cover this
- speakerservice tonight. The ten people there or the people around the city.
- speakerJust last month. And I remember just do a concur. Loves that chair night. And the eighty
- speakernine S. when they went that was a church after that but
- speakeralso you know have any idea what decade. This event was going to you know you know they had.
- speakerWe already lived over in that tent character in that Congress we did in that house
- speakerpress conference
- speakerthat often drive or you know you are would say
- speakerit was in the sixty's and the lever and whatever.
- speakerWhich will sell them. I could up
- speakerbroadcast. That person who had a
- speakercertain style and inquest. Because my radio broadcaster substance.
- speakerWho took several of my brother or
- speakermates. He retired to could. Code files.
- speakerMy daughters to in Georgia and that you were where they had the big four.
- speakerAnd his brothers. His nephew. Because they want to drown. Less in the basement.
- speakerFred G.E. H.N.
- speakerJan again.
- speakerTen men.
- speakerI came for the game went to the neurologist. And the negative a good
- speakerthing done.
- speakerRobert got around verson resume ever the staff of jack
- speakerworks and is word of life.
- speakerAnd how we have. What he did just was
- speakerlike administrators. And then just of Angeles and assume he's a second
- speakerlevel
- speakereventually me. No Jack works. Not in
- speakera famous at all or. He'd probably conduct one area of Jack
- speakerworkings campaign. And I think he
- speakerwas.
- speakerI'm intelligent return to get that was engaging or he
- speakerwas Murray. He was very outgoing and the.
- speakerHave a very pleasing personality.
- speakerJoe and Betty Springer. The results are talked about that. We did. Stuff their
- speakerjobs
- speakerfor from Ecuador will do again Vice President Gore there
- speakerare embedded say oh word about that is bigger a very fine point.
- speakerAnd they
- speakerhave and. The region chapel require revival
- speakerone time at the
- speakercenter and. OK I think the Congress oust done.
- speakerAlex over by a realtor. A very close friend a
- speakerperson
- speakerCrawford's.
- speakerVery professional tennis player to Murray and Country Club. Fantastic.
- speakerSo whenever a member of
- speakerthe chapel. Let's remember
- speakerthat child home can't say what it will sing live stream where it.
- speakerAnd there is a list of grace chapel Grace chapel in it up my.
- speakerHe was a tennis player celebrity. Evangelist.
- speakerHe was on Letterman. Businessman.
- speakerBut he supported the observer draws from the personnel. OK.
- speakerAnd there is a very talented billions of and he raised money gave
- speakermoney to us probably but not essentially
- speakerthat this friend more.
- speakerNeck. The other to the missionary.
- speakerOK this is crazy and missionary and his name came up before. Deek catch and. Why
- speakerwould something that had a sporting throw if a
- speakerless great basketball player.
- speakerDone. Ronnie. Elijah looming in the run
- speakerRovers packed legs up using the hands of the best. Funny guy.
- speakerHe spoke to his main occupation. Was to speak. Chapel and
- speakermotivating the speaker is what he was.
- speakerI don't. We have meant well.
- speakerAnd you're telling third.
- speakerI very slow going to back up church. Ross Mitchell. Ralph
- speakeractually was a rather two of my beliefs are close. A close associate
- speakerof the grounds of a missionary man.
- speakerProbably heard this person before. Done other close. One of our closest
- speakerfriends for only well New York and was pastor
- speakerof mother and father's church. That he
- speakerarrived sturgeon in the Holy have New York later one of them to.
- speakerSeveral decades. Pastor of the hope your chin to the course.
- speakerAnd this is something he brought this center at some point or always a week.
- speakerBible teaching for us.
- speakerOK he needs a gig in the year so very thing. Baby.
- speakerI'm very slow going to have backup Testament. OK. BOB SAVAGE.
- speakerBOB SAVAGE was up from I am
- speakera missionary in Quito. Could go or whose place. Was
- speakerin Detroit Michigan. Probably like watching a spot of or was a problem with Pastor. Michigan.
- speakerOK. Something called the High School mystery right. Yes.
- speakerOne of the events are bible club was to have a mystery why we went to
- speakerNew York City.
- speakerThen they just the mystery was. We're all just getting the car be ready. I said something like
- speakerthat or we can't.
- speakerWe can can you describe this is one be our last
- speakeryear or maybe they took maybe thirty importing
- speakerthem and just said that we can but when I can tell you where it's
- speakergoing to be the come ready to travel.
- speakerYeah. I think that's about what it
- speakerwas OK just for fun or
- speakera project of the Bible Club chairman who felt that that was a
- speakergreat way to to
- speakerexpand to them socialize and have an adventure together.
- speakerAnthony zest
- speakersleep. He asked
- speakerRose So most
- speakerof their
- speakerearly burned then horrible burns I hope there
- speakerwas a most fitting first chapter but the current person.
- speakerWe spoke about personally to you that worked on cars and came to
- speakerour by the cabin help the young people to learn about how to work unconscious. He's a are way
- speakerto Mars. Pennsylvania where he is stop us one of the most attractive.
- speakerSo she will
- speakersupport the ministry. Mission. He has just retired from that.
- speakerIn the sun because I'm going to look
- speakerfor and what was his occupation like he was a mechanic. He was in the can.
- speakerAnd during the one nine hundred fifty S. when you're having your cancer. And the other.
- speakerJEFF
- speakerFENECH call from them are going to the ministry. I started he was done likely.
- speakerBut God shows through.
- speakerAnd he would get off it and he brought these old cars the repaired then they showed young people.
- speakerLevel this is higher capital right there the
- speakerengineering. That's right.
- speakerAnd when he would give that card or some needy person.
- speakerPrint Hark. Into
- speakerher camp a thing else about his sentry sergeant he doesn't sit
- speakerin the area. And it killed him. And just a very fruitful lie.
- speakerHe shall never visit is an entire
- speakermilitary has been in the Mars area. After we left. My formal. I don't know how I
- speakerI think he some the British thirty is are the worst of the enlightened and his ministry received
- speakerpeople know he took the whole social structure with
- speakermothers who are people. All
- speakerthat with time
- speakerfurnish them homeless.
- speakerBut you wouldn't expect that to be a march but I totally agree have gravitated
- speakerthere he deals and helped hundreds of people every year who were really
- speakernice who are in the
- speakerpress and he stablished this mission for them. Just the mob or
- speakerthe church is the pits for have written some purpose that you
- speakerknow what I even have come across him. Like.
- speakerIt's called the like I was like put it the life I was ministering or the were no he
- speakercan't it means of but
- speakerit's interesting. Just curious what
- speakerwas it like when he first asked him and his greasy hands and with the South. Here
- speakeris the kind of fellow that. And he wanted something drug test for an ability
- speakerand you know it's very very generous and
- speakervery very mechanical I about every single
- speakerman very very tough. And so I've been lucky.
- speakerHe would come in I tried
- speakerto call First Corinthians one person. Got a chosen the week before the chicken.
- speakerPeg Smith. Dear friend again from college who have a
- speakermagnificent. Outro can probably was somehow you've forgotten the BRIZE for
- speakerus have a rover as so
- speakerus a neighbor a regulated or enjoys practice
- speakerduring our Chester but everywhere income which college student
- speakeror and I sang for her planning and
- speakerthe knowledge stay dear people just spend it states that I think sticks.
- speakerSuch great
- speakerpeople they were probably the closest people in the world to.
- speakerBoth from street drugs is gender trying still
- speakeralive in a strange question turned into one thing. Just the same
- speakerin and start to hurry. So are regulars there tape.
- speakerAnd then. And this can say
- speakerthis was a. It has a Labor Day. Bible
- speakerconference live.
- speakerWith Hubbard. Perfect from down there.
- speakerFrank. W V E S T.
- speakerFrank rest frame. When I was a missionary States from of some
- speakersort. George. Sweetie jerks ridden ones
- speakerthe president was there when the truck artist as we know ma'am.
- speakerHe came in about a rationalist. And later it came with plaster of the mint
- speakerpatronage movie church in Chicago and president of the movie
- speakerBible goes to. Can you define what a chalk artist
- speakeris. No one who comes and instead of through can go others take turns
- speakerwith another go are you into a house from Missouri. Coming in or out and with
- speakerhe presents to home for. Audiences people get to organic because there have been a
- speakersea of attending her as with the entertainment factor
- speakerof receiving bridging by where the pool. With new
- speakersaddle object lessons as a lone
- speakerperson. With was an object. And then the idea
- speakerof a charcoal artist was. And the man who is the penguin He
- speakeralso as being a pastor. Also was a truck artist. They were grown
- speakerthe spectrum.
- speakerMaybe it was a scene of the city and they were emphasizing what Jesus
- speakercould get. And we were always put in the back row across them are resurrected.
- speakerTo Charlotte like roast beef. And then at the conclusion of all of this
- speakertrial Carter's. One is called black
- speakerlight. And we would turn a switch and something humorous
- speakerall import up there. When the light. It was a
- speakerterrific
- speakerjournalist and he left a singer. After Kennedy blitzing. And George. We knew existed.
- speakerAnd that and in that saying and in things that are that side of
- speakerthe large leaving you as a torturer person. When he showed up with
- speakera huge shark word of his own orgasm would bring their own request and did it
- speakerrun automobile rather than the other on their way.
- speakerSo I'm just asking that how can people see. When there's three hundred people there are so like
- speakerthey think they can see from and he would turn with a microphone but as the back and talk to be less right.
- speakerThe Lord did this that's right. And then peace comes. Because our lives.
- speakerUsually go a lot of talk and why they were growing
- speakerup. But he was not. When they were down the house every a very different thing. Now.
- speakerHe would that play and then you would just speak to them they did you could see plenty of
- speakerinstilling and going to music when they
- speakerwere going to raise their word or greenies of us to bless.
- speakerIt was in the whole shock. Artist group.
- speakerThough it were not there were another studied organization. But there were probably.
- speakerI used. What are you through your for the trump card
- speakerwith plus magician.
- speakerChristian. Ross moment just
- speakerthe rules used for magic. As a means of getting the message about all
- speakerthat was before reading over the board. I was a very effective way
- speakerto retreat.
- speakerMAGINNIS just enjoy the same they would use illusion had a great segue right back. Tyra's expect a
- speakercall it with people were curious. And then they were being with it a symbolic and
- speakerI just some sort of symbol arrived. OK.
- speakerReverend Curtis
- speakerequals girls G O U
- speakerB. OK Bob.
- speakerMorgan good friend. Summer
- speakerLocal this has never been there prominent. But a good fellows Elf are
- speakeralways available to
- speakerhelp me when you think. But he was part of a cork. From a
- speakerlocal church. And he's so in our
- speakercourts with us walk and was was one of
- speakerthe killers of the child. Evangelism summer ship
- speakerof Western We
- speakergot this rifle was in that.
- speakerAnd then anything thing is that we went home one summer. A burden will it and
- speakerone summer and finally are home and then have the film of they couldn't
- speakerbelieve that they were
- speakerso. Child Avengers and ship that's reaching
- speakerout to children. And I marry Bob Morgan's
- speakerdollar at. If yes and it was very effective.
- speakerThere they were tell not. And given a mean that they didn't just start
- speakerat as well as a traditional instead. But they were to up so that teach those children
- speakerand get
- speakerthem to give them information. They were good
- speakerin sending me. People in a neighborhood.
- speakerA Christian would ask the kids to come out and
- speakerthey gather in the backyard when to show them a
- speakerviable back. OK.
- speakerTrysting. Rotary Titus
- speakerabout it and the guns. Rory
- speakerhides. I think done. So you're Royce
- speakerZeigler a soggy are low voice on these
- speakermatters found also that Janet punter.
- speakerP T R I C Calderon those years. Reverend raid
- speakerno
- speakerno and pay O.-W. only
- speakerS mill. Oh ho. But. But
- speakerGeorge George is lower
- speakera pending a solid number of my court. Swedish.
- speakerYour wife will probs
- speakerreduce you to give you such a drug for and who was the
- speakerboss German the dust and the well it was the lead singer and bugs worked
- speakerout OK. I think we mention his name before
- speakeror less like was a member but a prominent businessman.
- speakerAre saying that THEM WORK FOR like to go come
- speakerand work for electorate in blogs or to electric utilities.
- speakerA successful businessman became vice president and let the newborn
- speakerrectors or other.
- speakerAnd then married one of the girls and they're singing with us.
- speakerWho's the Snyder who was a teacher and a school teacher
- speakerand then two sons and she has now and.
- speakerAnd they ran that are.
- speakerThey ran the food at the center. They ran the snack bar.
- speakerSaturday nights. That was their responsibility. And they had
- speakerto clean it up before they left. They were the last ones leaving always. They
- speakerjust that respond so the name of the Org member. I was so precise
- speakerbut there are the ones without the center. But I different part of the center.
- speakerWhy. I recognize that name because they think I pretty talk
- speakerabout a pig mention rather than Britain right.
- speakerOr close friends and I mean we've mentioned in the How can
- speakeranything you're going to say about three months from Boston here in front of it by OK Mission. I have no
- speakerconnection with. We did we just say peace staff in town.
- speakerI was marvelous. And then perhaps a cyborg when there is among the I will be the prior in there
- speakerfor Boston you kind of treatment temple.
- speakerAnd that it was a really big thing about cycling so if you can
- speakerdipping. We've mentioned a prayer.
- speakerCarolyn Hockenberry going to be mentioned
- speakerher. So let me go. Carolyn. Hockenberry
- speakerbitter about the into quite right but going nowhere.
- speakerI don't
- speakerremember sitting mission. Society Buffalo.
- speakerThe largest
- speakerrescue squad a rescue
- speakermission. And during my administration. THE MOTHER.
- speakerBuffalo became doing a
- speakerproject under are very head of that
- speakerraises money for two million dollars in new a stop to it which was a
- speakergrowing very positive level Sutherland's already.
- speakerAnd you know going to wake up and say oh it was a very active rescue mission or a rescue
- speakermission for people to get cap help us
- speakerto rescue the rule have alcohol problems. Our world
- speakermothers of those who
- speakerare in cut and when but if you did you would not let them down but
- speakergranted the one that suggested to the guy who was running it but you go to the mayor.
- speakerThat's right. And raise money and sell his book but IMO it was really
- speakerjust in the black. And the level of the bottom line is a property of
- speakerthe solution to the slappers and the core of
- speakerthe business and he seemed to be in the position. So the chairman of the
- speakerboard and simulation car really was a dear friends a lodger different from robbers like church.
- speakerAnd I slept in them are somewhat the time
- speakerand joining them and by Him can move the armory.
- speakerWorked out
- speakerbeautifully and has a good sense over his really about itself
- speakeror as well about a gun battle. And now I'm very very friendly.
- speakerThe production of. We each promoted one
- speakeranother have. The buckler Bible Institute. I spoke to about
- speakerthat those other health workers a level of Ave and later moved to the
- speakercollectors of the above world babble conference. I was some of
- speakerthem would stand between the brick grappa ones the president was open
- speakerabout. And then it will come home. That became the remote
- speakerand took
- speakerover heard in campus in the city.
- speakerThe. Dr Rice foundation Association.
- speakerI'm just gonna
- speakerwrite that would be for around as well about your the game before
- speakerI made it big impression that said the embattled people. Well well that
- speakerwe now know that probably but first major city right. There was some of
- speakermy drama right after the the Sunday Times.
- speakerSo there was a belly Sunday campaign. The last wrote about her the twenty's in the
- speakertwenty's and then. Rice with the next. The mother was sort of
- speakeran evangelist the big city right and to run a campaign. Probably Belding crime
- speakerand enchanting moment from my I haven't been quite but I've done the writing
- speakerand
- speakerI were you paying and establish something permanent versus you know when I
- speakerbuy the
- speakerAnd then you might say about Dr Bob Jones University.
- speakerExcept that I had Dr Bob Jr.
- speakerThe second of the Joneses. I had him as a guest speaker. Again
- speakerthe
- speakerclimax. Was he there were to reach out
- speakerto. No I don't know but I have.
- speakerI didn't really feel the way it was the
- speakersuper fundamentalism a problem until recently.
- speakerNortheastern collegiate Bible is to come up and that sort of startles New Jersey. And
- speakermy friend my friend Dr and my friends.
- speakerProbably do it or love the fact of this is a that I'm not with my classmates from Eastern.
- speakerWas whether we are professors and I think President of
- speakerthe. Berg back to the small
- speakerBible which I thought was absorbed
- speakerby Northeastern something or other. But that's just the normal
- speakerpeople around that one big what about my bad my mouth like the leg or the wrong or by the.
- speakerThis name may have seen before down Robertson. This is not a little this in the.
- speakerSo over under when he was under attack words
- speakerI'm OK. Claire.
- speakerFlat flat proud fled. There was a
- speakerCanadian locally who helped me with some things at the Southern
- speakerIraq war but what's the food or something but now I'm frightened and not on
- speakerwhat. For heaven's sake a play it wasn't hours. Well of
- speakerthe films of the milligram for
- speakerhaving any. That was
- speakeralmost like Net The one we tend to having a
- speakergood kind of paper but only for
- speakerthe and. But our brothers profiled
- speakerin college.
- speakerYeah. I have never come back and you can. Bring it to the center that he went to the
- speakerthem
- speakerand set everything they know that we went. Joyce Gardner.
- speakerMy loader and Secretary weighing
- speakerin and where she learned she come from and and. We're learning a little the group she was a
- speakermember of the race Baptist Church. Sure that location here with her
- speakermother her sister.
- speakerSisters were all of her supporters of my radio broadcast and I
- speakerremember the first
- speakerwith George and I already. Joyce It was a
- speakerlook cover the burger
- speakerhostess person. So she was compiled who are well known for a
- speakerwhile and I because over going to get worse.
- speakerI hope this isn't the home of the Little Sisters. And
- speakershe was secretary to this. When Crawford. Put a
- speakerlittle church in my boat lever and one of the people alive she was in his second term.
- speakerAnd when
- speakerhe didn't move a lot of the more well the master he would become
- speakermy secretary. Nine hundred sixty one of the thirty when a word movement for the burning one year so
- speakerreal or. The sixty's.
- speakerAnd where did she have to have to cation she took a job
- speakeryour get your route you were bored by me at the above about all
- speakerthose ideas like to go for the record that growing up in the eighty's and going to
- speakerthe center. We would rock in his children in person or then
- speakersuddenly they remember what she was at the rock in that
- speakeroffice. From that front Bobby she was the first from a child and then
- speakerwe were grown up and I remember when she retired.
- speakerBut she was the. In my mind the image of the nine hundred fifty
- speakermid century secretary as professional as well be. She was always playing being.
- speakerThis is completely neat. You have a horn rimmed glasses and she will see whether
- speakerI have to have her inside up the
- speakerladder the level.
- speakerShe had her hair up she just not going to go back and watch films like my. By Northwest in
- speakerthese intense heat and said well there she is. And there's this new puppy
- speakeror shot Rambo with a low life and instead what
- speakerwe were so sure I agree
- speakerbut an absolutely brilliant at what she did but that was my impression like
- speakershe should see
- speakerthat the World Vision. So I would rather we
- speakerwill win.
- speakerAnd for the record I'd like to say that we would. We would come up the stairs in the center. This is an early
- speakeris probably one hundred seventy five seventy second I could begin. And come up the stairs and.
- speakerTo the left was the bookstore. When you walk up to the left with the auditorium it's a process.
- speakerAnd then ahead was the bookstore which had a distinct.
- speakerIt was attractive you money to go in there even though there was a limited number of things you
- speakercould get it was still so many things that whatever I were there did well. And then to go right up there
- speakerwas up the stairs. Up the right towards is a very strong institutional feeling that I have
- speakerthe iron. Kind of stairs
- speakerright towards the road big room. But then straight ahead was Joyce's office and just
- speakerand then and then we go. If you have to get through her to get to you and you have basically
- speakerhave directly.
- speakerAnd then she bought it then and sometimes you're taking that and then your office locked in it as it was
- speakera consummate. Nineteen fifties. It remained that in my mind that if you had
- speakera lot of land that was a pretty large ceiling and the big desk and of a
- speakerlab on your desk. And a
- speakera a a fellow accounts there that was. That was
- speakerright out of the right of a movie set that the nine hundred
- speakerthirty or nine hundred fifty two or something like that but the show Mad Men.
- speakerIs about as an avenue to butt into Rico am rises in his recreating the late fifty's
- speakerearly sixty's and kind of walking through to this Humans are the soap opera drama of extent but
- speakerthere are these secretaries. And there is in the institution of the professional
- speakeralmost a professional secretary who
- speakerdevoted her whole life. This and with efficient and new. How to manage everybody
- speakerin a men's room in a separate opinion as well as
- speakersecretary and existence and something to replace
- speakera man. I would contact and say
- speakerwell you know. They have
- speakerreally never went straight in and I always that high and she was very diplomatic. And that
- speakeryou acted in my mind. She was an institution. She was this. You know
- speakerthe texture. Imam play this type
- speakerof person little with closed in the by reception of
- speakerus who was totally by herself.
- speakerThe most opposite survive go to my broker challenge. I have to go with Sure.
- speakerI was or
- speakerwas that was controlled by reception
- speakerfirst lots of Shias the
- speakersubhumans to God you wherever you are by the verses juggling.
- speakerWell everything going by collectors step
- speakerand she was lucky to have my order
- speakerregal I may be wrong but I do remember the joys caps. Hard candies and maybe in
- speakerher desk. And then he was given to us like that on a
- speakerregular bright red. And we're going to remember.
- speakerHer I miss her. Eugene.
- speakerThere was my
- speakerlong time manager of the groups that there visited the center.
- speakerSo
- speakerHe was a minister. He was in charge of the people who were in charge of the parking lot.
- speakerHe took all the.
- speakerHe was. He was responsible for the operations.
- speakerOperations thing. And when did he
- speakerstart? I don't know. It was like he was always there.
- speakerBoth unusual and very useful servant. Very.
- speakerStrong servant's heart.
- speakerOK. We've talked informally about that we've had a.
- speakerOh by the way. He had an obsession
- speakerwith being close to any sports figures in Buffalo.
- speakerHe wanted almost to be known as the chaplain to the sports people.
- speakerCause he was not that.
- speakerWe've talked informally, but I would like to mention
- speakerHarold Jones? Harold
- speakerJones was
- speakerapparel.