Alan T. Forbes oral history, 2010, side 9.

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    We're
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    one of the moving forces in General Rob Ketchum. He was
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    one of the moving forces in the General Association of
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    Regular Baptists. He was an annual speaker at Pine Brook. It would
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    not be Pine Brook without having Dr Robert Ketchum at least once.
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    And then we were
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    friends with his niece. His
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    niece. His nephew. His nephew. It was Ketchum's nephew
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    here with the outstanding student at the King's College later.
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    Was the principal Bible. Principal basketball
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    player for the early King's College teams.
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    Huge. a hugely talented
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    basketball player.
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    We called him in Japan once to get him to come and speak.
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    And, so what was he doing?
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    He died of a heart attack at forty years of age..
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    And his wife was a Bob Ketchum kid? No, no. This fellow
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    his D. Deacon, I guess it is. His nephew. He
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    was Bob Ketchum's, the nephew. And there's a huge connection between
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    the Ketchum and King's College.
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    one Which is King's College? King's College
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    was founded by Percy Crawford.
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    Probably his strongest legacy.
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    t's located presently in Empire State Building but was at
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    Briarcliff Manor, New York was a school that probably
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    had nine hundred students
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    and now is located in the Empire State Building.
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    King's College. The Kings College, because there are other King's Colleges. This
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    is the King's College. Probably one of four
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    major evangelical, non-denominational
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    colleges. Wheaton College, King's College, Houghton College,
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    one on the west coast--Westmont College and the one we
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    can never think of. Eastern is Baptist.
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    No, no, no. Boston. In Boston. Gordon College.
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    Those of the half a dozen colleges that are associated
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    with non-denominational
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    group. OK. Anthony Zioli. Anthony Zioli
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    was a converted mobster from Philadelphia.
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    And he would be the Pinebrook circuit?He was invited to
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    speak not
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    only to Pinebrook. He was well known in the entire Pennsylvania area.
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    That would be where he was most known. And, he
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    was. He was AKA "the walking
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    Bible," because when he was converted.
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    As a result of being converted, when he got in jail, somebody gave him a
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    Bible and he just devoured it. Gave time to read it
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    ten hours during the daytime and the nighttime, he would go to a
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    place where light came through strongly and he would
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    he memorized.
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    much of the New
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    Testament. and that family side of this. He is the one that got Grandpa
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    to the doctor that really
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    got him well when Grandpa was deathly sick and
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    And the Zioli family? His
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    son his. I want to clarify his. His family helped you
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    find the best doctor? That's right.
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    That's right. At the time of my nineteen forty six of
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    them after they had told him he would not
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    live in Sydney. Who are good transferred him and therefore had.
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    Sent me to go today. And most anthem
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    is your only son William will ignore those buildings in
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    your tongue get. Well spoke film
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    Incorporated which
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    produced. Some of the fine films other than the ability. Not
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    the Billy Graham fella but a full job or a cold. Gus was well.
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    And later. They were Story films. And I'm very used to
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    when you listen to and was a zealot.
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    Was a very very charismatic
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    person. And he was a. He was a confidant he
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    became a chaplain. To present for
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    work. Because Gospel Bill's oke his stuff so people were
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    located outside of Detroit Michigan.
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    For his abilities and really he only became a chaplain.
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    to President Ford. What were Anthony Ezioli's
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    presentations like? very compatible. And what did he look like? You
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    know I'm going to tell you a lobster. Who knows what it looks like
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    Godfather and. It was fiery. And I mean never being in
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    a service in Pennsylvania. And that and a
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    man sent down the aisle to interrupt his
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    speaking about I was a beer. Came walking along.
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    I wish I could bring that come can. I mean he came up with this guy with the beard.
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    The Prophet. And I have a message for new right.
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    Interrupting the entire
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    Sir Anthony had to do was so
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    controlled the profit incentive. And this is
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    my service and you sit down.
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    And, that was it? That was it. They escorted him out.
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    Um.
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    So this must have been quite a thing? Montrose
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    Montrose Bible College. Right, right. Which was a huge Bible conference.
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    And, Anthony. The amazing thing about him was that he would just reel off scripture.
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    Just like you couldn't
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    believe. And, was gentle a person. Off the
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    stage. And, did he carry a gun? The whole point is this is a
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    real curiosity piece too. That's what I'm getting at here is that
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    is not just a nice farm boy like Billy Graham who becomes a
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    preacher, That's right. This
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    is just it's like going to the circus. You want to take a look at
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    this guy who is a mobster and now is a evangelist
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    Exactly. and
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    even then make up and he was
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    short. Italian. Sort of heavy, not fat.
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    But, and had a tall
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    beautiful wife, who was a walking, talking
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    cliche. Yeah. And, his wife was, used to have. He liked spaghetti and meatballs.
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    I mean there was no they were peddling
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    couple are made a lot of. Because conversion the his way.
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    Did it have or whether she
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    had the resources. But I do know that it's.
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    Less than there was a very special couple.
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    And then they come to the center
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    less. You might think probably during the fifty's.
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    I can manage that. Well there's that's how I got it from where
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    the idea of Alan.
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    Labor was plasterer great church and when I was
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    about the church up when he was pastor ups were influential pastor when we had
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    a mentor Gus annually. Fairly well.
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    Well
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    apparently well. Why don't we run that rugged musical group that we knew very
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    well called the older brothers. Rather the Allman Brothers. That.
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    Without them.
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    It was a it was the other two friends
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    and it was the other just that they said that the organ.
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    No honey that's not what I'm talking about Chuck
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    element. And chuck them when was is just didn't notice your talent.
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    That this. All right Dave Allen. Again. He's anything injuries was that long ago
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    just is that they prefer a prominent Detroit Michigan past.
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    Norman
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    polit Norm Coleman was somehow are associated
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    with the
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    strip. It was a board member I believe it is true.
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    I don't remember him. Well you would know that
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    in and. We said this Jimmy Johnson we've talked about have
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    we didn't remember. Clyde
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    Taylor the hotel where as I told you was any second is in the Conservative
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    Baptist Foreign Missions society. OK less.
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    Black the slack was a good
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    friend. A musical person.
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    Who wrote to the King's College. And I'm not believing the
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    twelfth
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    there and. So any more than that.
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    He was later resigned from King's College and had a
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    disagreement with Dr Crawford.
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    He
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    also was along with Paul Monna in
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    Philadelphia around the North Philadelphia. Use for how many of our own was a.
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    Another use. Leader by the name or for
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    mother and her language to enter the.
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    Sixty's. But there were. You're. Because we're living
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    in filling
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    up. And that was a nice place for listening. When you know there's right were killed.
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    We were not in some way.
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    His wife were killed a block from where home. WHO WHO WHO IS THIS IS SO our poll.
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    Murder of our own was less
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    was so unusual lady in Cheltenham
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    in the Philadelphia
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    area and palm oil and his wife are killing us
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    tell the Irish little to rock the level of
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    right. And the hope of more rules for Earth
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    and for when they work.
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    Miss. Mrs
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    Rooth style of groups. Wasn't it was
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    a missionary to
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    Peru Africa. After open
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    Africa and the help of charming person. Educated.
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    Real religion men are really were aware area still some of the
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    very social level very socially
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    what prayer as he was sent to the get set of me.
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    Doing everything right. He was a mission a in Africa I heard her in home when I was
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    in his office where I mean well I would say she really got. She liked. Shutting
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    down and sober were all of us or he told you not to Africa. Took
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    them to go live there in to the Mission Station near the remote. Mission
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    Station and let them plan. Political
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    person would come to their place in Africa. And
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    then for dinner with say China.
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    She was totally regal when she stood that she would she would always
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    wear flowers. And she would stand out like that
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    and
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    in lots of red tries and then we not only have we got to know our case you can
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    define the. We had
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    read. And she broke she
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    charmed everybody to see she almost became a
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    celebrity. Just by force of personality preferably at the exactly right and she
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    became a missionary. And that's a
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    goal. That's But the best way to describe or Sharon marry her. Moment.
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    Look at a family over that she said Well I think what's wrong if you have a goal but then she has a single woman
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    who's in the shattering black eye and coming back.
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    Oh I think she could have been paid in math
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    and play when we got can or she was over her late fifty's
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    sixty's. She was located in most fields or
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    five times we were just there. A month ago.
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    OK. Kerry
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    Martin. And I
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    think who is in that
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    joyous and Victor baby.
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    But Debra Lee was equally a mugger was called.
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    He was a director
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    or. President or whatever. The
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    talk at Testament. Link which is
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    a bible distributor
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    in the New Testament. A struggling
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    organization. And he really was a very huge
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    speaks of tech a kind. He would describe his style.
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    Thank you speak or do it
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    just didn't limit.
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    As far to the scribe the style. Simply
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    move young people could talk. It would choose something to talk one
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    on one and also the voice of a large Weekly. Basically he
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    was. Just a lover
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    preacher from one of the added lately. And you know what it
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    was totally sold out to him that Jordan because he's
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    a was part of the newly established organization called the barber
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    Testament which group.
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    So when we say. New pidgeon knew how to talk to kids get up and say.
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    Of that you feels. Peer pressures cool and I have an outlet your friends
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    L.-O. she's known this for seeing her see that kind fail to be something like
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    that because the drugs. And we say that really. Well they
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    would choose a story like. The
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    probable son and they would preach off of the product also very use where
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    the use mind
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    was here to this or. Well they wouldn't come close to for his mind set upon
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    a change in a little bit rebellious or I
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    feel this identity. Let's just a
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    very clear very clear.
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    Simplistic explanation of the Bible.
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    OK. Well over here maybe we can talk about this right. When we talk about.
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    About nineteen about the post-war era up until the early sixty's. What was your impression.
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    During he hears the work leading up to buying a center building and then. There she was sort
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    of after. Before we get into that or
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    protest. What was your impression that the typical teenager was like What was the
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    audience you were trying to
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    reach really that Clinton and to me.
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    They knew that we're interested but that where we started.
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    They were pushed endurance. Certain.
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    Using that we developed was.
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    They needed to slowly about as before we gave them a sense of
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    liberation that there may have adjust their church for All right then grown up.
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    Separate from the rest and. Or emphasis instead of the new and.
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    We say you were dealing you were you were dealing with non-Christian kids well you were dealing
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    with church you can't decipher right kind
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    of grammar different they all had
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    friends from school. It might not be saying that
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    whole
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    any. As a fan or move with those kids if
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    they knew in school. Would not be positively affected by
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    the stereotype. Church service.
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    And so they would bring them to our place or dry Rover parties or something else like
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    but rather their kids. Felt liberated. We. A
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    stopwatch and knew. You've culture. Apart from the cool little
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    couture eventually some for kids to be able to when they're not in the turret. Serious.
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    To rename it. I think treats his current
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    deal. So the question we step
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    back from a little bit that is that the feeling among at least among other people and
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    along
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    up among a lot of Christians at the time was
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    that they were I separate culture to be they were separate from. Not
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    only each other independent churches. But they were separate from the secular culture.
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    And
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    there were other organizations are lower than ours compared you
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    know. To which
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    I know I've passed
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    that area
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    other bank yours them over to such groups of Teen Challenge. And
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    the other who dealt with street kids but
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    the dumb of those kids in my mind was not
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    as major as well with one might
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    think that
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    was OK. But now with him. There is like that and
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    they have that person at the center drug.
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    Really has taken a grip with
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    people into it but one of the huge images of the nine
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    hundred fifty S. among young people who are not believe in just the general teen idols.
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    Starts with Marlon Brando in the early fifty's. And then is that these you've got James Dean. The up there
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    movie star and then by the late fifty's. You've got Elvis Presley.
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    But you're not really. You were doing kids who were who were injured
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    church world that was archly still suffer from this.
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    And we were providing a place of the ledger was a min fellowship for
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    the church groups. And then through that. Reaching out strike by just raising
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    these so that
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    certain and shelling them and giving them a place to bring their friends
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    to introduce them to the looking likes wasn't that checked.
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    So good a duel. That is overarching the churches and then another
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    audience
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    who wanted her taken. You know we think of youth post
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    where you culture you do think of it as a lot of the things of the buffalo Christian Center at roller
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    skating rink and ice ice creams and drive ins in just part
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    of the culture. Right. OK.
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    My hair old vocal
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    the.
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    Elmo character. As well as well
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    a broker to misled our world.
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    Herald the EK And then sometimes these brochures have had
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    misspelled names.
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    This is exactly as if
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    they have to pass that because I think it is a misspelling OK. The
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    Anglo rally at the Buffalo Christian
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    Center. Alert to a.
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    I don't go into a rally where our military families go free something that just as
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    we were in the Senate.
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    We never had anything that we called the annual rally. OK.
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    George.
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    LOFFLER weapon or charge whatever.
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    I forgot. Window I could
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    never eat up until we talked about H.C.G. opinion can you
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    EVER is the Prez is that have
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    the capital happen I'll get a car where we spent a month. OK.
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    Harry trover your orders. Gus sorry against
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    someone who opens the way for it go and put our to take the
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    place for mission for couples. We've talked about
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    that every graph every graph work. Was President of
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    the buffalo Bible school. Of all Bibles
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    school. Very active in. Buffalo.
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    Org or the nomination or
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    pairs of president of the buffalo.
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    Bible school. Not conference but school. OK.
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    JEAN. Jordan.
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    Jordan was a robbery. Program if it loses
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    him to H C J B. He was a
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    missionary or was like the
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    remote island. If you had the power
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    grid who directed the Tito. Ecuador. Sensibly
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    at one time. It's up to any was probably
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    the magician in charge he was in musician in
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    charge and his sister was an opera singer.
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    And he had
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    a summer. He had a hair lamp which every time I
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    think for him for a week at a time. Who is Pentasa think. And he would get asked to speak.
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    And he would have this Trump speaking. And his face with
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    plain as he started telling people. They were
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    breathless African stack
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    and moving but
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    remember that eight per cent got overcome.
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    Now this thing sounds familiar. So they're right. Bob
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    Finley no the film that we have not discussed in
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    four bucks was a missionary statement.
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    We're going to watch your mission but I forgot the mission when the limit the mission
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    bus doesn't fly with international mission.
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    OK. And a diplomat between potential supporters
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    in missions on the mission
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    field. And mission. Organization.
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    The name of which I recall you were going to Google and. He came
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    to this
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    center. If you took that was or was can see
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    as Lake something he had some travelers medically
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    slight charismatic which. During
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    my will was a great going drawn between.
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    Cars white churches and regular churches there was a more of a separation.
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    During those forty's and fifty's less than a smell you
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    can see ass
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    leg. And so he
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    knew he had something to do
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    was.
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    Is it the lady that Cedric
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    Sears Hedrick still hurts when she was bigger at
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    the center center tears anything notable just of
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    speaker. He was very active in
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    the Conservative Baptist
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    movement. Can you tell me a little bit more about Maria auditorium.
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    Morrow and charges where the hockey game
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    play where first short term.
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    Buffalo Braves which
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    were only for a couple of years earlier when they played in the Moral Majority.
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    And we were. That was the main. There was the
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    May or Acharya as well there was
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    a smaller armature in that same building. And we
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    held several of our rallies in that memorial
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    a trailer
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    for years and rallies would be how many people and what purpose.
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    One thing is that they can take and you hear it. And we think can get there
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    in places land. And we leave
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    really not. They hadn't been there that long. And, Grandpa said we've got to have our own
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    building.
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    And, that would have been in nineteen fifty-
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    eight. Because I remember one occasion being a mum
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    or or some other one girl gave me a half a dollar.
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    And we need in six hundred fifty dollars and fifty cents to tell her.
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    We got to six hundred fifty children. To the
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    dollar when we are offering and I said worse of that he said that in
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    my pocket she had given that you're a scrub and are doing
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    so because this name may be repeating.
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    Don. York doubler was a worker for a couple of years.
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    Unless
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    we can sack. And I speculate
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    really high rate. Done to you or at the suggestion of my good from great
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    trips. And he was in Houston worker in Richmond Virginia. And came to meet him
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    from the air and stayed with me for about two years. And I was in charge
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    of News Bible.
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    That little clubs.
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    A school that was his that it was is in so he was musical banking fifty's.
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    The know. Well he was musical to be sure we get.
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    I fly. Five Barack own boys.
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    This is probably usual anyway. Right. Reverend Edwin.
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    And property. Kronberg was ugly original
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    inviting us for Christ the door then invited me to
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    become the new director of the. Oh, this is not Percy Crawford.
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    snored had no right. He was a Presbyterian minister. He was minister of
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    the Cleveland Drive Presbyterian Church in
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    Buffalo and. Gerald H. Jordan.
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    Gerald Jordan was one of my original board members. The oldest member I had. And he
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    was a member of the cousin only a part Baptist
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    Church in that's why
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    we're in for a brief period of time because daughter.
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    In morale. Was my
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    secretary. This name of
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    believe we've covered already.
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    Robert's moon. Robert a ruthless. Also I let group of people.
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    Not invited me to become the director and when he was a member of the Riverside
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    Baptist
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    Church. I just thinking of this graphic was in such weather.
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    Robert probably off in Kenya. Rather cool place to
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    go back. This is probably your hope for John
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    F. Moulton. That's right he was my treasure or have a member of
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    the we have Presbyterian Church was converted. Under
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    John Rice which we spoke of all there
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    was and related. What was his occupation.
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    He was he was.
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    He took care of all of the dispensing of the trucks in the bill to McCarthy
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    and Rogers that industrial supply company.
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    OK. And then recent times to say that and to make a problem. OK.
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    Dr John. Schaeffer a leg was with a half dollar
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    just. And teacher. Of a major importance of
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    the Deaconess Hospital and was rather sure go by board for twenty one years and
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    friend probably the closest friend. In the
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    entire trial was involved.
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    And they let Arias
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    kill. When did they. I remember him. I use I jog
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    with two years and within the
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    last year my didn't want to be a close thing. When he was banned.
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    He couldn't close an app. In a stroke. And your mother.
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    Just a year before you made it. College him and passed on
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    that meant. That retirement nest
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    but he isn't World War two
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    right left. This is America's all out of my army stuff that he gave to
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    him he was a mother coke or he knows why we're
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    we're in Germany. And that's really his will give up their home and
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    that's the reason why really this demo we were given the whole. We were allowed to
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    buy a home
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    for her father Bill one of five won't drive and Snyder. When asked her father built
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    that house for her home. They didn't find here
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    he comes and said Do you want my house tend to be a floor I wish to
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    come
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    back we can i did we would move.
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    She had her hair up she just not going to go back and watch films like my. By Northwest in
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    these intense heat and said well there she is. And there's this new puppy
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    or shot Rambo with a low life and instead what
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    we were so sure I agree
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    but an absolutely brilliant at what she did but that was my impression like
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    she should see
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    that the World Vision. So I would rather we
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    will win.
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    And for the record I'd like to say that we would. We would come up the stairs in the center. This is an early
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    is probably one hundred seventy five seventy second I could begin. And come up the stairs and.
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    To the left was the bookstore. When you walk up to the left with the auditorium it's a process.
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    And then ahead was the bookstore which had a distinct.
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    It was attractive you money to go in there even though there was a limited number of things you
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    could get it was still so many things that whatever I were there did well. And then to go right up there
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    was up the stairs. Up the right towards is a very strong institutional feeling that I have
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    the iron. Kind of stairs
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    right towards the road big room. But then straight ahead was Joyce's office and just
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    and then and then we go. If you have to get through her to get to you and you have basically
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    have directly.
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    And then she bought it then and sometimes you're taking that and then your office locked in it as it was
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    a consummate. Nineteen fifties. It remained that in my mind that if you had
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    a lot of land that was a pretty large ceiling and the big desk and of a
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    lab on your desk. And a
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    a a a fellow accounts there that was. That was
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    right out of the right of a movie set that the nine hundred
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    thirty or nine hundred fifty two or something like that but the show Mad Men.
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    Is about as an avenue to butt into Rico am rises in his recreating the late fifty's
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    early sixty's and kind of walking through to this Humans are the soap opera drama of extent but
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    there are these secretaries. And there is in the institution of the professional
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    almost a professional secretary who
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    devoted her whole life. This and with efficient and new. How to manage everybody
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    in a men's room in a separate opinion as well as
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    secretary and existence and something to replace
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    a man. I would contact and say
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    well you know. They have
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    really never went straight in and I always that high and she was very diplomatic. And that
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    you acted in my mind. She was an institution. She was this. You know
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    the texture. Imam play this type
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    of person little with closed in the by reception of
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    us who was totally by herself.
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    The most opposite survive go to my broker challenge. I have to go with Sure.
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    I was or
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    was that was controlled by reception
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    first lots of Shias the
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    subhumans to God you wherever you are by the verses juggling.
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    Well everything going by collectors step
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    and she was lucky to have my order
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    regal I may be wrong but I do remember the joys caps. Hard candies and maybe in
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    her desk. And then he was given to us like that on a
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    regular bright red. And we're going to remember.
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    Her I miss her. Eugene.
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    There was my
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    long time manager of the groups that there visited the center.
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    So
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    He was a minister. He was in charge of the people who were in charge of the parking lot.
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    He took all the.
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    He was. He was responsible for the operations.
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    Operations thing. And when did he
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    start? I don't know. It was like he was always there.
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    Both unusual and very useful servant. Very.
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    Strong servant's heart.
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    OK. We've talked informally about that we've had a.
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    Oh by the way. He had an obsession
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    with being close to any sports figures in Buffalo.
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    He wanted almost to be known as the chaplain to the sports people.
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    Cause he was not that.
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    We've talked informally, but I would like to mention
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    Harold Jones? Harold
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    Jones was
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    apparel.

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